Christopher,

> On 11. 4. 2025, at 15:55, Christopher Smith <chrylis+gro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I personally find it surprising and confusing that arguments are implicitly 
> collected in method calls; I recently was baffled until I realized that the 
> Map as a first argument was causing Groovy to group the leading arguments.

I am not sure what this means. What is a “leading argument”? Can you please 
show an example? With my testing, nothing is grouped (unless one uses named 
arguments, which of course go into that Map):
===
1052 ocs /tmp> <q.groovy
def foo(Map m=null, a, b, c) {
  println "m:$m a:$a b:$b c:$c"
}
foo('Hi', 'there', '!')
1053 ocs /tmp> /usr/local/groovy-4.0.25/bin/groovy q
m:null a:Hi b:there c:!
1054 ocs /tmp> 
===

> I appreciate Groovy's syntactic sugar for clear cases (such as trailing 
> lambdas), but I would rather not have arguments collected if the signature 
> isn't varargs. 

Unless you limit your code by CompileStatic, that's technically impossible, 
since normally caller does not (need to) know the signature of the receiver 
until actually called.

All the best,
OC

> On Fri, Apr 11, 2025, 05:22 Paul King <pa...@asert.com.au 
> <mailto:pa...@asert.com.au>> wrote:
> I think it is just the case that Java supports only a single value or
> array notation, so that's what we did too (just adapting to Groovy
> array/list notation).
> 
> We have certainly had folks ask if we could also support the curly
> brace syntax but that clashes with a closure.
> 
> It would be interesting to see whether it is a simple or ugly change
> at the grammar/early parsing level.
> 
> Cheers, Paul.
> 
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2025 at 7:19 PM Gianluca Sartori <g.sart...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:g.sart...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > we use the following well known annotation in our Grails controllers:
> >
> > @Secured(['ROLE_USER', 'ROLE_OTHER'])
> >
> > I was wondering why we cannot write this instead:
> >
> > @Secured('ROLE_USER', 'ROLE_OTHER')
> >
> > like in method calls.
> >
> > To your knowledge is that a Groovy thing or it lies somewhere else?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Gianluca Sartori
> >

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