Hi Jesper,

     To fully support *real* lambda expression, (to be honest)currently I have 
no idea how to generate bytecode for it. In addition, supporting Static 
Compilation will be another big work…


  *   For instance, we could warn the user if the lambda referred to 'this' or 
'super' directly.

I think ‘this’ and ‘super’ can be referred but developers should not change its 
resolve strategy, so we can forbidden the scenario by syntax check 😊

     I would like to open a new discussion based on our discussion in the 
dev-list later and wish others would think same with us to accept the closure 
with lambda syntax

Cheers,
Daniel.Sun

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(changing the subject so we don't disrupt the main discussion)

Not quite 😔

The changes in Java to support Lambdas are much deeper than just how the 
Metafactory is invokedynamic'ed, as it changes how type inference and overload 
resolution is done. Same as with the issues we discussed a while back around 
method references: Supporting Java8 semantics in the Groovy compiler is a very 
big task, as we just don't have the type information available.

I would much rather suggest supporting the lambda syntax with groovy semantics, 
but add warnings if we detect that the code may rely on Java lambda semantics. 
For instance, we could warn the user if the lambda referred to 'this' or 
'super' directly.

-Jesper

On 7 Feb 2017, at 16.00, Daniel Sun <[hidden 
email]</user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5738478&i=0>> wrote:

Hi Jochen,

That’s great!
Paul and Graeme are both afraid of future breaking changes of groovy’s lambda 
expression, which is currently based on closure. If we could generate *real* 
lambda bytecode for LambdaExpression, groovy’s lambda expression will behave 
same with Java8’s at runtime😊

Cheers,
Daniel.Sun

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On 07.02.2017 14:44, Daniel Sun wrote:
> Hi Cédric,
>
>       It seems that too many choices are a annoying problem, but I
> believe we can conquer it sooner or later ;)
>       BTW, is it possible to keep groovy' lambda expression as it
> is(i.e. groovy closure with lambda syntax) but generate *real* lambda
> bytecode for
> it(https://github.com/apache/groovy/blob/parrot/src/main/org/codehaus/groovy/ast/expr/LambdaExpression.java)?

sure, you should make a visitLambdaExpression similar to
visitClosureExpression and change our visitors

bye Jochen


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