As a user,

I would keep my apps to Grails 7/Groovy 4, just because that’s the latest
release we moved to, and wait till Grails 9/Groovy 6 is out, just because
of the performance gain.

I am also not entirely sure why we are keeping three Grails 7.x releases.
That also from a user perspective is a bit confusing: what version should I
use? Why? That’s not immediately clear from the website.

It is my personal opinion that the only reason to maintain a specific
Grails version would be to enable people with JVM restrictions to use
Grails (eg: Grails 5 -> Java 8, Grails 7 -> Java 17, etc).

But given the speed the underlying technologies are progressing nowadays,
who wants to maintain a monolithic app with an old and UNSAFE stack?

UNSAFE is something the business understands, it’s a driver to move ahead
with the underlying technologies like Java and Spring.

Since each Grails new release comes with refactoring COSTS, they must be
justified somehow.

>From a business point of view there is no reason to move to Grails 8/Groovy
5 when we have Grails 9/Groovy 6 in a six months timeframe and with much
added value respect to Grails 8/Groovy 5.

On a side note, we are almost ready to release Dueuno 4/Grails 8 along with
the latest application we are working on. But if we manage to skip that and
jump straight to a Dueuno 4/Grails 9/Groovy 6 with noticeably improved
performance, that would be better.


Gianluca Sartori
--
https://dueuno.com

On Mon, 5 Oct 2026 at 03:04, James Fredley <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> The 8.0.0 vote is out, which is is an AWESOME accomplishment.
>
> While that finishes, I want to discuss what we do next, before we spend
> time on the wrong branch.
>
> Proposal: do not release an 8.1.x on Spring Boot 4.2 in Q1 2027. Ship
> 8.0.x, move straight to 9.0.x on Groovy 6 (snapshots already exist), and
> pick up Spring Boot 4.2 in a 9.1.x release after that GA is out.
>
> The schedule would look like this:
>
> - 8.0.0 on Spring Boot 4.1 and Groovy 5 - now
> - 9.0.0 on Spring Boot 4.1 and Groovy 6 targets late November or early
> December. Those snapshots are already running.
> - I expect Spring Boot 4.2 GA around Christmas or early January rather
> than the usual late November window.  4.1 landed in June, about a month
> late.  Spring Boot 4.2.0-M2 shipped on 24 September. The 4.2.0-RC1
> milestone is 29 of 30 issues closed
> (https://github.com/spring-projects/spring-boot/milestone/433). The
> 4.2.0 GA milestone is open, but Spring has not set a due date
> (https://github.com/spring-projects/spring-boot/milestone/434).
> - After Spring Boot 4.2 GA, we release 9.1 on top of 9.0 in Q1 2027
> - 8.1 stays on the shelf unless we find a real reason to release it.
>
> Two release trains are driving this. We still cut a Grails major when
> Spring Boot cuts a major. Groovy now looks like it will cut a major
> about once a year, and that will also be a Grails major. I do not think
> we should also keep chasing each Spring Boot minor on the old Groovy
> line. Cleaner cutoff: a Grails line stays on the Spring Boot minor it
> shipped with, and the next Spring Boot minor lands on the new Groovy major.
>
> The merge cost is the main reason to skip an 8.1 release. Spring Boot
> 4.2 changes will not apply cleanly to the Groovy 6 work already on
> 9.0.x. They will apply to 9.1, which is where we want them. Doing that
> upgrade for an 8.1 release and again for 9.1 is the same work twice.
> Those changes might get merged to the wrong line, replayed, or dropped.
> We could try to keep lines working on both Spring Boot 4.1 (Grails 8.0.x
> and 9.0.x) and 4.2(Grails 8.1.x and 9.1.x), but that is not worth it for
> a line most people will leave quickly or skip entirely.
>
> 9.0 should be a short release. If it lands in late November or early
> December, 9.1 can follow soon after the Spring Boot 4.2 GA in Q1 2027.
> Users will likely move to latest Groovy, especially with the performance
> boost.
>
> This does not end 8.0.x. Patch releases on 8.0.x continue as usual. The
> only question is whether we spend a minor release moving Groovy 5 onto
> Spring Boot 4.2.
>
> Does this match what others expect for the next few months?
>
> Reasons that would change my mind: users who cannot move to Groovy 6, a
> compatibility promise we have already made, or a merge approach that is
> cheaper than it looks.
>
> Thanks,
> James Fredley
> VP, Apache Grails
> PMC Chair
>

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