Hi Ferenc,

Thanks for the proposal. +1 for it! This FLIP will improve the user
experience.

Regards,
Jeyhun





On Mon, Jun 3, 2024 at 1:50 PM Ferenc Csaky <ferenc.cs...@pm.me.invalid>
wrote:

> Hi Hang,
>
> Thank you for your inputs, both points make sense, updated the
> FLIP according to them.
>
> Best,
> Ferenc
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, 31 May 2024 at 04:31, Hang Ruan <ruanhang1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi, Ferenc.
> >
> > +1 for this proposal. This FLIP will help to make the CLI clearer for
> users.
> >
> > I think we should better add an example in the FLIP about how to use the
> > application mode with the new CLI.
> > Besides that, we need to add some new tests for this change instead of
> only
> > using the existed tests.
> >
> > Best,
> > Hang
> >
> > Mate Czagany czmat...@gmail.com 于2024年5月29日周三 19:57写道:
> >
> > > Hi Ferenc,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the FLIP, +1 from me for the proposal. I think these changes
> > > would be a great solution to all the confusion that comes from these
> two
> > > action parameters.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Mate
> > >
> > > Ferenc Csaky ferenc.cs...@pm.me.invalid ezt írta (időpont: 2024. máj.
> > > 28., K, 16:13):
> > >
> > > > Thank you Xintong for your input.
> > > >
> > > > I prepared a FLIP for this change [1], looking forward for any
> > > > other opinions.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Ferenc
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > >
> > >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EX74rFp9bMKdfoGkz1ASOM6Ibw32rRxIadX72zs2zoY/edit?usp=sharing
> > >
> > > > On Friday, 17 May 2024 at 07:04, Xintong Song tonysong...@gmail.com
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > AFAIK, the main purpose of having `run-application` was to make
> sure
> > > > > the user is aware that application mode is used, which executes the
> > > > > main
> > > > > method of the user program in JM rather than in client. This was
> > > > > important
> > > > > at the time application mode was first introduced, but maybe not
> that
> > > > > important anymore, given that per-job mode is deprecated and likely
> > > > > removed
> > > > > in 2.0. Therefore, +1 for the proposal.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > >
> > > > > Xintong
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 11:35 PM Ferenc Csaky
> > > > > ferenc.cs...@pm.me.invalid
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hello devs,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I saw quite some examples when customers were confused about
> run, and
> > > > > > run-
> > > > > > application in the Flink CLI and I was wondering about the
> necessity
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > deploying
> > > > > > Application Mode (AM) jobs with a different command, than
> Session and
> > > > > > Per-Job mode jobs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I can see a point that YarnDeploymentTarget [1] and
> > > > > > KubernetesDeploymentTarget
> > > > > > [2] are part of their own maven modules and not known in
> > > > > > flink-clients,
> > > > > > so the
> > > > > > deployment mode validations are happening during cluster
> deployment
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > their specific
> > > > > > ClusterDescriptor implementation [3]. Although these are
> > > > > > implementation
> > > > > > details that
> > > > > > IMO should not define user-facing APIs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The command line setup is the same for both run and
> run-application,
> > > > > > so
> > > > > > I think there
> > > > > > is a quite simple way to achieve a unified flink run experience,
> but
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > might missed
> > > > > > something so I would appreciate any inputs on this topic.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Based on my assumptions I think it would be possible to
> deprecate the
> > > > > > run-
> > > > > > application in Flink 1.20 and remove it completely in Flink 2.0.
> I
> > > > > > already put together a
> > > > > > PoC [4], and I was able to deploy AM jobs like this:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > flink run --target kubernetes-application ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If others also agree with this, I would be happy to open a FLIP.
> > > > > > WDYT?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Ferenc
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1]
> > >
> > >
> https://github.com/apache/flink/blob/master/flink-yarn/src/main/java/org/apache/flink/yarn/configuration/YarnDeploymentTarget.java
> > >
> > > > > > [2]
> > >
> > >
> https://github.com/apache/flink/blob/master/flink-kubernetes/src/main/java/org/apache/flink/kubernetes/configuration/KubernetesDeploymentTarget.java
> > >
> > > > > > [3]
> > >
> > >
> https://github.com/apache/flink/blob/48e5a39c9558083afa7589d2d8b054b625f61ee9/flink-kubernetes/src/main/java/org/apache/flink/kubernetes/KubernetesClusterDescriptor.java#L206
> > >
> > > > > > [4]
> > >
> > >
> https://github.com/ferenc-csaky/flink/commit/40b3e1b998c7a4273eaaff71d9162c9f1ee039c0
>

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