Hi, Yubin,

I found a little mistake in FLIP.
`ALTER CATALOG catalog_name RESET (key1=val1, key2=val2, ...)` should be
changed as `ALTER CATALOG catalog_name RESET (key1, key2, ...)`, right?

Best,
Hang


Lincoln Lee <lincoln.8...@gmail.com> 于2024年3月20日周三 10:04写道:

> Hi Yubin,
>
> Sorry, please ignore my last reply (wrong context).
> I also asked Leonard, your proposal to extend the `CatalogDescriptor`
> should be okay.
>
> Thank you for your update : ) !
>
>
> Best,
> Lincoln Lee
>
>
> Lincoln Lee <lincoln.8...@gmail.com> 于2024年3月20日周三 09:35写道:
>
> > Hi Yubin,
> >
> > Thank you for detailed explaination! I overlooked `CatalogBaseTable`, in
> > fact
> >  there is already a `String getComment();` interface similar to
> `database`
> > and `table`.
> > Can we continue the work on FLINK-21665 and complete its implementation?
> > It seems to be very close.
> >
> > Best,
> > Lincoln Lee
> >
> >
> > Yubin Li <lyb5...@gmail.com> 于2024年3月20日周三 01:42写道:
> >
> >> Hi Lincoln,
> >>
> >> Thanks for your detailed comments!
> >>
> >> Supporting comments for `Catalog` is a really helpful feature, I agree
> >> with you to make it introduced in this FLIP, thank you for pointing
> >> that out :)
> >>
> >> Concerning the implementation, I propose to introduce `getComment()`
> >> method in `CatalogDescriptor`, and the reasons are as follows. WDYT?
> >> 1. For the sake of design consistency, follow the design of FLIP-295
> >> [1] which introduced `CatalogStore` component, `CatalogDescriptor`
> >> includes names and attributes, both of which are used to describe the
> >> catalog, and `comment` can be added smoothly.
> >> 2. Extending the existing class rather than add new method to the
> >> existing interface, Especially, the `Catalog` interface, as a core
> >> interface, is used by a series of important components such as
> >> `CatalogFactory`, `CatalogManager` and `FactoryUtil`, and is
> >> implemented by a large number of connectors such as JDBC, Paimon, and
> >> Hive. Adding methods to it will greatly increase the implementation
> >> complexity, and more importantly, increase the cost of iteration,
> >> maintenance, and verification.
> >>
> >> Please see FLIP doc [2] for details.
> >>
> >> [1]
> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/FLIP-295%3A+Support+lazy+initialization+of+catalogs+and+persistence+of+catalog+configurations
> >> [2]
> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/FLIP-436%3A+Introduce+Catalog-related+Syntax
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Yubin
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 9:57 PM Lincoln Lee <lincoln.8...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hi Yubin,
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for your quickly response!
> >> >
> >> > It would be better to support comments just like create `database` and
> >> > `table` with comment.
> >> > That is, add `String getComment();` to the current `Catalog`
> interface.
> >> > WDYT?
> >> >
> >> > Best,
> >> > Lincoln Lee
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Yubin Li <lyb5...@gmail.com> 于2024年3月19日周二 21:44写道:
> >> >
> >> > > Hi Lincoln,
> >> > >
> >> > > Good catch. Thanks for your suggestions.
> >> > >
> >> > > I found that the creation statements of database and table both
> >> > > support specifying "if not exists". For the sake of syntactic
> >> > > consistency and user practicality, We could introduce the '[if not
> >> > > exists]' clause to the 'create catalog' statement.
> >> > >
> >> > > As for the introduction of the `catalog comment` feature, it may
> >> > > involve changes to the Catalog structure, which can be left for
> future
> >> > > discussion.
> >> > >
> >> > > WDYT? Looking forward to your feedback :)
> >> > >
> >> > > Best,
> >> > > Yubin
> >> > >
> >> > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 9:06 PM Lincoln Lee <lincoln.8...@gmail.com
> >
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Hi Yubin,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Big +1 for completing the catalog api!
> >> > > > There's a minor addition[1] which does not affect the vote could
> >> also be
> >> > > > considered.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-21665
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Best,
> >> > > > Lincoln Lee
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Yubin Li <lyb5...@gmail.com> 于2024年3月18日周一 17:44写道:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Hi Jark,
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Thanks for your response, I have updated FLIP-436: Introduce
> >> > > > > Catalog-related Syntax [1] as you suggested.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > If there are no more comments within 24 hours, I will start a
> >> vote for
> >> > > > > this, thanks :)
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Best,
> >> > > > > Yubin
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > [1]
> >> > > > >
> >> > >
> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/FLIP-436%3A+Introduce+Catalog-related+Syntax
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 4:39 PM Jark Wu <imj...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Hi Yubin,
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Thanks for the quick response. The suggestion sounds good to
> me!
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Best,
> >> > > > > > Jark
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > On Mon, 18 Mar 2024 at 13:06, Yubin Li <lyb5...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Hi Jark,
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Good pointing! Thanks for your reply, there are some details
> >> to
> >> > > align
> >> > > > > :)
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > 1. I think the purpose of DESCRIBE CATALOG is to display
> >> metadata
> >> > > > > > > > information including catalog name,
> >> > > > > > > > catalog comment (may be introduced in the future), catalog
> >> type,
> >> > > and
> >> > > > > > > > catalog properties (for example [1])
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Adopting { DESC | DESCRIBE } CATALOG [ EXTENDED ] xx as
> formal
> >> > > syntax,
> >> > > > > > > Producing rich and compatible results for future needs is
> very
> >> > > > > important.
> >> > > > > > > When
> >> > > > > > > specifying "extended" in the syntax, it will output the
> >> complete
> >> > > > > > > information including
> >> > > > > > > properties.The complete output example is as follows:
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > >
> >>
> +---------------------------------+---------------------------------------------------+
> >> > > > > > > | catalog_description_item |
>  catalog_description_value
> >> > > > >    |
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > >
> >>
> +---------------------------------+---------------------------------------------------+
> >> > > > > > > |       Name                         |             cat1
> >> > > > > > >                       |
> >> > > > > > > |       Type                           |
> >> > >  generic_in_memory
> >> > > > > > >            |
> >> > > > > > > |       Comment                   |
> >> > > > > > >                       |
> >> > > > > > > |       Properties                  |
> ((k1,v1),
> >> > > (k2,v2))
> >> > > > > > >                 |
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > >
> >>
> +---------------------------------+---------------------------------------------------+
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > 2. Could you add support for ALTER CATALOG xxx UNSET
> >> ('mykey')?
> >> > > This is
> >> > > > > > > > also very useful in ALTER TABLE.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > I found that there is already an ALTER TABLE xxx RESET
> >> ('mykey')
> >> > > > > syntax [1]
> >> > > > > > > now,
> >> > > > > > > which will reset the myKey attribute of a certain table to
> the
> >> > > default
> >> > > > > > > value. For catalogs,
> >> > > > > > > it might be better to use ALTER CATALOG xxx RESET ('mykey')
> >> for the
> >> > > > > sake of
> >> > > > > > > design
> >> > > > > > > consistency.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > WDYT? Looking forward to your suggestions.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Best,
> >> > > > > > > Yubin
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > [1]
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > >
> >>
> https://nightlies.apache.org/flink/flink-docs-master/docs/dev/table/sql/alter/#reset
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 11:49 AM Jark Wu <imj...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Hi Yubin,
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Thanks for updating the FLIP. The updated version looks
> >> good in
> >> > > > > general.
> >> > > > > > > > I only have 2 minor comments.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > 1. I think the purpose of DESCRIBE CATALOG is to display
> >> metadata
> >> > > > > > > > information including catalog name,
> >> > > > > > > > catalog comment (may be introduced in the future), catalog
> >> type,
> >> > > and
> >> > > > > > > > catalog properties (for example [1]).
> >> > > > > > > > Expanding all properties may limit this syntax to include
> >> more
> >> > > > > metadata
> >> > > > > > > > information in the future.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > 2. Could you add support for ALTER CATALOG xxx UNSET
> >> ('mykey')?
> >> > > This
> >> > > > > is
> >> > > > > > > > also very useful in ALTER TABLE.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Best,
> >> > > > > > > > Jark
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > [1]:
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > >
> >>
> https://docs.databricks.com/en/sql/language-manual/sql-ref-syntax-aux-describe-schema.html
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 at 12:06, Yubin Li <lyb5...@gmail.com
> >
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > Hi Xuyang,
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > Thank you for pointing this out, The parser part of
> >> `describe
> >> > > > > catalog`
> >> > > > > > > > > syntax
> >> > > > > > > > > has indeed been implemented in FLIP-69, and it is not
> >> actually
> >> > > > > > > available.
> >> > > > > > > > > we can complete the syntax in this FLIP [1].  I have
> >> updated
> >> > > the
> >> > > > > doc :)
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > Best,
> >> > > > > > > > > Yubin
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > [1]
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > >
> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/FLIP-436%3A+Introduce+Catalog-related+Syntax
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 10:12 AM Xuyang <
> >> xyzhong...@163.com>
> >> > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > Hi, Yubin. Big +1 for this Flip. I just left one minor
> >> > > comment
> >> > > > > > > > following.
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > I found that although flink has not supported syntax
> >> > > 'DESCRIBE
> >> > > > > > > CATALOG
> >> > > > > > > > > > catalog_name' currently, it was already
> >> > > > > > > > > > discussed in flip-69[1], do we need to restart
> >> discussing it?
> >> > > > > > > > > > I don't have a particular preference regarding the
> >> restart
> >> > > > > > > discussion.
> >> > > > > > > > It
> >> > > > > > > > > > seems that there is no difference on this syntax
> >> > > > > > > > > > in FLIP-436, so maybe it would be best to refer back
> to
> >> > > FLIP-69
> >> > > > > in
> >> > > > > > > this
> >> > > > > > > > > > FLIP. WDYT?
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > [1]
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > >
> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/FLIP-69%3A+Flink+SQL+DDL+Enhancement
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > --
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > >     Best!
> >> > > > > > > > > >     Xuyang
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > At 2024-03-15 02:49:59, "Yubin Li" <lyb5...@gmail.com
> >
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > >Hi folks,
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > >Thank you all for your input, it really makes sense
> to
> >> > > introduce
> >> > > > > > > > missing
> >> > > > > > > > > > >catalog-related SQL syntaxes under this FLIP, and I
> >> have
> >> > > > > changed the
> >> > > > > > > > > > >title of doc to "FLIP-436: Introduce Catalog-related
> >> > > Syntax".
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > >After comprehensive consideration, the following
> >> syntaxes
> >> > > > > should be
> >> > > > > > > > > > >introduced, more suggestions are welcome :)
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> 1. SHOW CREATE CATALOG catalog_name
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> 2. DESCRIBE/DESC CATALOG catalog_name
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> 3. ALTER CATALOG catalog_name SET (key1=val1,
> >> key2=val2,
> >> > > ...)
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > >Regarding the `alter catalog` syntax format, I refer
> >> to the
> >> > > > > current
> >> > > > > > > > > design
> >> > > > > > > > > > >of `alter database`.
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > >Given that CatalogManager already provides catalog
> >> > > operations
> >> > > > > such
> >> > > > > > > as
> >> > > > > > > > > > >create, get, and unregister, and in order to
> facilitate
> >> > > future
> >> > > > > > > > > > >implementation
> >> > > > > > > > > > >of audit tracking, I propose to introduce the
> >> alterCatalog()
> >> > > > > > > function
> >> > > > > > > > in
> >> > > > > > > > > > >CatalogManager. WDYT?
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > >Please see details in FLIP doc [1] .
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > >Best,
> >> > > > > > > > > > >Yubin
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > >[1]
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > >
> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/FLIP-436%3A+Introduce+Catalog-related+Syntax
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > >On Thu, Mar 14, 2024 at 11:07 PM Leonard Xu <
> >> > > xbjt...@gmail.com>
> >> > > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> Hi Yubin,
> >> > > > > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> Thanks for driving the discussion, generally +1 for
> >> the
> >> > > FLIP,
> >> > > > > big
> >> > > > > > > +1
> >> > > > > > > > > to
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> finalize the whole catalog syntax story in one
> FLIP,
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> thus I want to jump into the discussion again after
> >> you
> >> > > > > completed
> >> > > > > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> whole catalog syntax story.
> >> > > > > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> Best,
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> Leonard
> >> > > > > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > 2024年3月14日 下午8:39,Roc Marshal <flin...@126.com>
> >> 写道:
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > Hi, Yubin
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > Thank you for initiating this discussion! +1 for
> >> the
> >> > > > > proposal.
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > Best,
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > Yuepeng Pan
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > At 2024-03-14 18:57:35, "Ferenc Csaky"
> >> > > > > > > <ferenc.cs...@pm.me.INVALID
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> Hi Yubin,
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> Thank you for initiating this discussion! +1 for
> >> the
> >> > > > > proposal.
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> I also think it makes sense to group the missing
> >> > > catalog
> >> > > > > > > related
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> SQL syntaxes under this FLIP.
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> Looking forward to these features!
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> Best,
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> Ferenc
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> On Thursday, March 14th, 2024 at 08:31, Jane
> Chan
> >> <
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> qingyue....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>> Hi Yubin,
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>> Thanks for leading the discussion. I'm +1 for
> the
> >> > > FLIP.
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>> As Jark said, it's a good opportunity to
> enhance
> >> the
> >> > > > > syntax
> >> > > > > > > for
> >> > > > > > > > > > Catalog
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>> from a more comprehensive perspective. So, I
> >> suggest
> >> > > > > expanding
> >> > > > > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> scope of
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>> this FLIP by focusing on the mechanism instead
> >> of one
> >> > > use
> >> > > > > case
> >> > > > > > > > to
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> enhance
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>> the overall functionality. WDYT?
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>> Best,
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>> Jane
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2024 at 11:38 AM Hang Ruan
> >> > > > > > > > ruanhang1...@gmail.com
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>> Hi, Yubin.
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>> Thanks for the FLIP. +1 for it.
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>> Best,
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>> Hang
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>> Yubin Li lyb5...@gmail.com 于2024年3月14日周四
> >> 10:15写道:
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>> Hi Jingsong, Feng, and Jeyhun
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>> Thanks for your support and feedback!
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>> However, could we add a new method
> >> > > > > `getCatalogDescriptor()`
> >> > > > > > > > to
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>> CatalogManager instead of directly exposing
> >> > > > > CatalogStore?
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>> Good point, Besides the audit tracking issue,
> >> The
> >> > > > > proposed
> >> > > > > > > > > feature
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>> only requires `getCatalogDescriptor()`
> >> function.
> >> > > > > Exposing
> >> > > > > > > > > > components
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>> with excessive functionality will bring
> >> unnecessary
> >> > > > > risks, I
> >> > > > > > > > > have
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> made
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>> modifications in the FLIP doc [1]. Thank Feng
> >> :)
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>> Showing the SQL parser implementation in the
> >> FLIP
> >> > > for
> >> > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > SQL
> >> > > > > > > > > > syntax
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>> might be a bit confusing. Also, the formal
> >> > > definition
> >> > > > > is
> >> > > > > > > > > missing
> >> > > > > > > > > > for
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>> this SQL clause.
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>> Thank Jeyhun for pointing it out :) I have
> >> updated
> >> > > the
> >> > > > > doc
> >> > > > > > > > [1] .
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>> [1]
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > >
> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=296290756
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>> Best,
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>> Yubin
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2024 at 2:18 AM Jeyhun
> Karimov
> >> > > > > > > > > > je.kari...@gmail.com
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>> wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>> Hi Yubin,
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>> Thanks for the proposal. +1 for it.
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>> I have one comment:
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>> I would like to see the SQL syntax for the
> >> proposed
> >> > > > > > > > statement.
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> Showing
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>> the
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>> SQL parser implementation in the FLIP
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>> for the SQL syntax might be a bit confusing.
> >> Also,
> >> > > the
> >> > > > > > > formal
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>> definition
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>> is
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>> missing for this SQL clause.
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>> Maybe something like [1] might be useful.
> >> WDYT?
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>> Regards,
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>> Jeyhun
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>> [1]
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > >
> >>
> https://github.com/apache/flink/blob/0da60ca1a4754f858cf7c52dd4f0c97ae0e1b0cb/docs/content/docs/dev/table/sql/show.md?plain=1#L620-L632
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 3:28 PM Feng Jin
> >> > > > > > > > jinfeng1...@gmail.com
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>> wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>> Hi Yubin
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>> Thank you for initiating this FLIP.
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>> I have just one minor question:
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>> I noticed that we added a new function
> >> > > > > `getCatalogStore`
> >> > > > > > > to
> >> > > > > > > > > > expose
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>> CatalogStore, and it seems fine.
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>> However, could we add a new method
> >> > > > > > > `getCatalogDescriptor()`
> >> > > > > > > > to
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>> CatalogManager instead of directly exposing
> >> > > > > CatalogStore?
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>> By only providing the
> >> `getCatalogDescriptor()`
> >> > > > > interface,
> >> > > > > > > it
> >> > > > > > > > > > may be
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>> easier
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>> for us to implement audit tracking in
> >> > > CatalogManager
> >> > > > > in
> >> > > > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > > > > future.
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>> WDYT ?
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>> Although we have only collected some
> modified
> >> > > events
> >> > > > > at
> >> > > > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>> moment.[1]
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>> [1].
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > >
> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/FLIP-294%3A+Support+Customized+Catalog+Modification+Listener
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>> Best,
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>> Feng
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 5:31 PM Jingsong Li
> >> > > > > > > > > > jingsongl...@gmail.com
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>> +1 for this.
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>> We are missing a series of catalog related
> >> > > syntaxes.
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>> Especially after the introduction of
> catalog
> >> > > store.
> >> > > > > [1]
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>> [1]
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > >
> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/FLIP-295%3A+Support+lazy+initialization+of+catalogs+and+persistence+of+catalog+configurations
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>> Best,
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>> Jingsong
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 5:09 PM Yubin Li
> >> > > > > > > lyb5...@gmail.com
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> Hi devs,
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> I'd like to start a discussion about
> >> FLIP-436:
> >> > > > > Introduce
> >> > > > > > > > > "SHOW
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> CREATE
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> CATALOG" Syntax [1].
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> At present, the `SHOW CREATE TABLE`
> >> statement
> >> > > > > provides
> >> > > > > > > > > strong
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> support
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> for
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> users to easily
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> reuse created tables. However, despite
> the
> >> > > > > increasing
> >> > > > > > > > > > importance
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> of the
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> `Catalog` in user's
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> business, there is no similar statement
> for
> >> > > users to
> >> > > > > > > use.
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> According to the online discussion in
> >> > > FLINK-24939
> >> > > > > [2]
> >> > > > > > > with
> >> > > > > > > > > > Jark
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> Wu
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> and
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> Feng
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> Jin, since `CatalogStore`
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> has been introduced in FLIP-295 [3], we
> >> could
> >> > > use
> >> > > > > this
> >> > > > > > > > > > component
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> to
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> implement such a long-awaited
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> feature, Please refer to the document [1]
> >> for
> >> > > > > > > > implementation
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> details.
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> examples as follows:
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> Flink SQL> create catalog cat2 WITH
> >> > > > > > > > > > ('type'='generic_in_memory',
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> 'default-database'='db');
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> [INFO] Execute statement succeeded.
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> Flink SQL> show create catalog cat2;
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > >
> >>
> +----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> | result |
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > >
> >>
> +----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> | CREATE CATALOG `cat2` WITH (
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> 'default-database' = 'db',
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> 'type' = 'generic_in_memory'
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> )
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> |
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > >
> >>
> +----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> 1 row in set
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing from you,
> >> thanks!
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> Best regards,
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> Yubin
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> [1]
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > >
> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=296290756
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> [2]
> >> > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-24939
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> [3]
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > >
> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/FLIP-295%3A+Support+lazy+initialization+of+catalogs+and+persistence+of+catalog+configurations
> >> > > > > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > >
> >>
> >
>

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