Hey Robert,

Awesome thanks, that timeline works for me. Sounds good re: deciding on
FLIP once we have the PR, and thanks for looking into the field ids.

Looking forward to it!

On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 5:09 AM Robert Metzger <metrob...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Kevin,
>
> Thanks a lot. Then let's contribute the Confluent implementation to
> apache/flink. We can't start working on this immediately because of a team
> event next week, but within the next two weeks, we will start working on
> this.
> It probably makes sense for us to open a pull request of what we have
> already, so that you can start reviewing and maybe also contributing to the
> PR.
> I hope this timeline works for you!
>
> Let's also decide if we need a FLIP once the code is public.
> We will look into the field ids.
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 8:56 PM Kevin Lam <kevin....@shopify.com.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> > Hey Robert,
> >
> > Thanks for your response. I have a partial implementation, just for the
> > decoding portion.
> >
> > The code I have is pretty rough and doesn't do any of the refactors I
> > mentioned, but the decoder logic does pull the schema from the schema
> > registry and use that to deserialize the DynamicMessage before converting
> > it to RowData using a DynamicMessageToRowDataConverter class. For the
> other
> > aspects, I would need to start from scratch for the encoder.
> >
> > Would be very happy to see you drive the contribution back to open source
> > from Confluent, or collaborate on this.
> >
> > Another topic I had is Protobuf's field ids. Ideally in Flink it would be
> > nice if we are idiomatic about not renumbering them in incompatible ways,
> > similar to what's discussed on the Schema Registry issue here:
> > https://github.com/confluentinc/schema-registry/issues/2551
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 5:51 AM Robert Metzger <rmetz...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > +1 to support the format in Flink.
> > >
> > > @Kevin: Do you already have an implementation for this inhouse that you
> > are
> > > looking to upstream, or would you start from scratch?
> > > I'm asking because my current employer, Confluent, has a Protobuf
> Schema
> > > registry implementation for Flink, and I could help drive contributing
> > this
> > > back to open source.
> > > If you already have an implementation, let's decide which one to use :)
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Robert
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 2:05 PM David Radley <david_rad...@uk.ibm.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Kevin,
> > > > Some thoughts on this.
> > > > I suggested an Apicurio registry format in the dev list, and was
> > advised
> > > > to raise a FLIP for this, I suggest the same would apply here (or the
> > > > alternative to FLIPs if you cannot raise one). I am prototyping an
> Avro
> > > > Apicurio format, prior to raising the Flip,  and notice that the
> > > readSchema
> > > > in the SchemaCoder only takes a byte array ,but I need to pass down
> the
> > > > Kafka headers (where the Apicurio globalId identifying the schema
> > lives).
> > > >
> > > > I assume:
> > > >
> > > >   *   for the confluent Protobuf format you would extend the Protobuf
> > > > format to drive some Schema Registry logic for Protobuf (similar to
> the
> > > way
> > > > Avro does it) where the magic byte _ schema id can be obtained and
> the
> > > > schema looked up using the Confluent Schema registry.
> > > >   *   It would be good if any protobuf format enhancements for Schema
> > > > registries pass down the Kafka headers (I am thinking as a
> Map<String,
> > > > Object> for Avro) as well as the message payload so Apicurio registry
> > > could
> > > > work with this.
> > > >   *   It would make sense to have the Confluent schema lookup in
> common
> > > > code, which is part of the SchemaCoder readSchema  logic.
> > > >   *   I assume the ProtobufSchemaCoder readSchema would return a
> > Protobuf
> > > > Schema object.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I also wondered whether these Kafka only formats should be moved to
> the
> > > > Kafka connector repo, or whether they might in the future be used
> > outside
> > > > Kafka – e.g. Avro/Protobuf files in a database.
> > > >    Kind regards, David.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Kevin Lam <kevin....@shopify.com.INVALID>
> > > > Date: Wednesday, 21 February 2024 at 18:51
> > > > To: dev@flink.apache.org <dev@flink.apache.org>
> > > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] [DISCUSS] FLINK-34440 Support Debezium Protobuf
> > > > Confluent Format
> > > > I would love to get some feedback from the community on this JIRA
> > issue:
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/FLINK/issues/FLINK-34440
> > > >
> > > > I am looking into creating a PR and would appreciate some review on
> the
> > > > approach.
> > > >
> > > > In terms of design I think we can mirror the
> `debezium-avro-confluent`
> > > and
> > > > `avro-confluent` formats already available in Flink:
> > > >
> > > >    1. `protobuf-confluent` format which uses DynamicMessage
> > > >    <
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://protobuf.dev/reference/java/api-docs/com/google/protobuf/DynamicMessage
> > > > >
> > > >    for encoding and decoding.
> > > >       - For encoding the Flink RowType will be used to dynamically
> > > create a
> > > >       Protobuf Schema and register it with the Confluent Schema
> > > > Registry. It will
> > > >       use the same schema to construct a DynamicMessage and serialize
> > it.
> > > >       - For decoding, the schema will be fetched from the registry
> and
> > > use
> > > >       DynamicMessage to deserialize and convert the Protobuf object
> to
> > a
> > > > Flink
> > > >       RowData.
> > > >       - Note: here there is no external .proto file
> > > >    2. `debezium-avro-confluent` format which unpacks the Debezium
> > > Envelope
> > > >    and collects the appropriate UPDATE_BEFORE, UPDATE_AFTER, INSERT,
> > > DELETE
> > > >    events.
> > > >       - We may be able to refactor and reuse code from the existing
> > > >       DebeziumAvroDeserializationSchema +
> > DebeziumAvroSerializationSchema
> > > > since
> > > >       the deser logic is largely delegated to and these Schemas are
> > > > concerned
> > > >       with the handling the Debezium envelope.
> > > >    3. Move the Confluent Schema Registry Client code to a separate
> > maven
> > > >    module, flink-formats/flink-confluent-common, and extend it to
> > support
> > > >    ProtobufSchemaProvider
> > > >    <
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/confluentinc/schema-registry/blob/ca226f2e1e2091c67b372338221b57fdd435d9f2/protobuf-provider/src/main/java/io/confluent/kafka/schemaregistry/protobuf/ProtobufSchemaProvider.java#L26
> > > > >
> > > >    .
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone have any feedback or objections to this approach?
> > > >
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