Thanks for the information! On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 9:07 PM Gyula Fóra <gyula.f...@gmail.com> wrote:
> https://flink.apache.org/downloads/#update-policy-for-old-releases > > On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 8:47 PM Jing Ge <j...@ververica.com.invalid> > wrote: > > > +1 Thanks! I have an off-track question: where could we find the > reference > > that the community only supports the last 2 minor releases? Thanks! > > > > > > Best Regards, > > Jing > > > > On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 3:13 PM Ahmed Hamdy <hamdy10...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > Makes sense, > > > Thanks for the clarification. > > > Best Regards > > > Ahmed Hamdy > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 14 Sept 2023 at 14:07, Gyula Fóra <gyula.f...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Ahmed! > > > > > > > > As I mentioned in the first email, the Flink Operator explicitly aims > > to > > > > make running Flink and Flink Platforms on Kubernetes easy. As most > > users > > > > are platform teams supporting Flink inside a company or running a > > service > > > > it's basically always required to support several Flink versions at > the > > > > same time. > > > > > > > > Enterprise users are in many cases using Flink versions that are > older > > > than > > > > the last 2 minor releases (currently supported by the community). > > However > > > > the operator itself is somewhat independent of Flink itself, and most > > > > operator features work across several Flink versions at the same > time. > > > > > > > > Based on this it's relatively easy for us to support deploying to > > > previous > > > > Flink minor versions (within some reasonable limit). This means that > as > > > > long as platform teams keep the operator up-to-date they get the > latest > > > > stability / deployment improvements but can still provide > compatibility > > > for > > > > their users for older Flink job versions. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Gyula > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 2:59 PM Ahmed Hamdy <hamdy10...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thanks Gyula, > > > > > +1 for the proposal in general. > > > > > May I ask why are we interested in supporting more than the ones > > > > supported > > > > > by the community? > > > > > for example I understand all versions prior to 1.16 are now out of > > > > support, > > > > > why should we tie our compatibility 4 versions behind? > > > > > Best Regards > > > > > Ahmed Hamdy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 14 Sept 2023 at 12:18, ConradJam <jam.gz...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > > > > > Yang Wang <wangyang0...@apache.org> 于2023年9月14日周四 16:15写道： > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since the users could always use the old Flink Kubernetes > > Operator > > > > > > version > > > > > > > along with old Flink versions, I am totally in favor of this > > > proposal > > > > > to > > > > > > > reduce maintenance burden. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > Yang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Biao Geng <biaoge...@gmail.com> 于2023年9月6日周三 18:15写道： > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 for the proposal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > Biao Geng > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gyula Fóra <gyula.f...@gmail.com> 于2023年9月6日周三 16:10写道： > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Zhanghao Chen: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not completely sure at this point what this will mean > > for > > > > 2.0 > > > > > > > simply > > > > > > > > > because I am also not sure what that will mean for the > > operator > > > > as > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > > I think this will depend on the compatibility guarantees we > > can > > > > > > provide > > > > > > > > > across Flink major versions in general. We have to look > into > > > that > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > tackle the question there independently. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gyula > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 6:12 PM Maximilian Michels < > > > > m...@apache.org> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 Sounds good! Four releases give a decent amount of > time > > to > > > > > > migrate > > > > > > > > > > to the next Flink version. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 5:33 PM Őrhidi Mátyás < > > > > > > > matyas.orh...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 8:03 AM Thomas Weise < > > > t...@apache.org> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1, thanks for the proposal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 8:13 AM Gyula Fóra < > > > > > > gyula.f...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Maximilian Michels <m...@apache.org> has raised > the > > > > > question > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > Flink > > > > > > > > > > > > > version support in the operator before the last > > > release. > > > > I > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > like to > > > > > > > > > > > > > open this discussion publicly so we can finalize > this > > > > > before > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > next > > > > > > > > > > > > > release. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Background: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently the Flink Operator supports all Flink > > > versions > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > Flink > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.13. > > > > > > > > > > > > > While this is great for the users, it introduces a > > lot > > > of > > > > > > > > backward > > > > > > > > > > > > > compatibility related code in the operator logic > and > > > also > > > > > > adds > > > > > > > > > > > > considerable > > > > > > > > > > > > > time to the CI. We should strike a reasonable > balance > > > > here > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > allows us > > > > > > > > > > > > > to move forward and eliminate some of this tech > debt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the current model it is also impossible to > support > > > all > > > > > > > > features > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > Flink versions which leads to some confusion over > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Proposal: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since it's a key feature of the kubernetes operator > > to > > > > > > support > > > > > > > > > > several > > > > > > > > > > > > > versions at the same time, I propose to support the > > > last > > > > 4 > > > > > > > stable > > > > > > > > > > Flink > > > > > > > > > > > > > minor versions. Currently this would mean to > support > > > > Flink > > > > > > > > > 1.14-1.17 > > > > > > > > > > (and > > > > > > > > > > > > > drop 1.13 support). When Flink 1.18 is released we > > > would > > > > > drop > > > > > > > > 1.14 > > > > > > > > > > > > support > > > > > > > > > > > > > and so on. Given the Flink release cadence this > means > > > > > about 2 > > > > > > > > year > > > > > > > > > > > > support > > > > > > > > > > > > > for each Flink version. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gyula > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
