Hi G

Thanks for your explain in detail. I have gotten your thoughts, and any way 
this proposal
is a great improvement.

Looking forward to your implementation and i will keep focus on it.
Thanks again.

Best
JunFan.
On Jan 13, 2022, 9:20 PM +0800, Gabor Somogyi <gabor.g.somo...@gmail.com>, 
wrote:
> Just to confirm keeping "security.kerberos.fetch.delegation-token" is added
> to the doc.
>
> BR,
> G
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 1:34 PM Gabor Somogyi <gabor.g.somo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi JunFan,
> >
> > > By the way, maybe this should be added in the migration plan or
> > intergation section in the FLIP-211.
> >
> > Going to add this soon.
> >
> > > Besides, I have a question that the KDC will collapse when the cluster
> > reached 200 nodes you described
> > in the google doc. Do you have any attachment or reference to prove it?
> >
> > "KDC *may* collapse under some circumstances" is the proper wording.
> >
> > We have several customers who are executing workloads on Spark/Flink. Most
> > of the time I'm facing their
> > daily issues which is heavily environment and use-case dependent. I've
> > seen various cases:
> > * where the mentioned ~1k nodes were working fine
> > * where KDC thought the number of requests are coming from DDOS attack so
> > discontinued authentication
> > * where KDC was simply not responding because of the load
> > * where KDC was intermittently had some outage (this was the most nasty
> > thing)
> >
> > Since you're managing relatively big cluster then you know that KDC is not
> > only used by Spark/Flink workloads
> > but the whole company IT infrastructure is bombing it so it really depends
> > on other factors too whether KDC is reaching
> > it's limit or not. Not sure what kind of evidence are you looking for but
> > I'm not authorized to share any information about
> > our clients data.
> >
> > One thing is for sure. The more external system types are used in
> > workloads (for ex. HDFS, HBase, Hive, Kafka) which
> > are authenticating through KDC the more possibility to reach this
> > threshold when the cluster is big enough.
> >
> > All in all this feature is here to help all users never reach this
> > limitation.
> >
> > BR,
> > G
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 1:00 PM 张俊帆 <zuston.sha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi G
> > >
> > > Thanks for your quick reply. I think reserving the config of
> > > *security.kerberos.fetch.delegation-token*
> > > and simplifying disable the token fetching is a good idea.By the way,
> > > maybe this should be added
> > > in the migration plan or intergation section in the FLIP-211.
> > >
> > > Besides, I have a question that the KDC will collapse when the cluster
> > > reached 200 nodes you described
> > > in the google doc. Do you have any attachment or reference to prove it?
> > > Because in our internal per-cluster,
> > > the nodes reaches > 1000 and KDC looks good. Do i missed or misunderstood
> > > something? Please correct me.
> > >
> > > Best
> > > JunFan.
> > > On Jan 13, 2022, 5:26 PM +0800, dev@flink.apache.org, wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JzMbQ1pCJsLVz8yHrCxroYMRP2GwGwvacLrGyaIx5Yc/edit?fbclid=IwAR0vfeJvAbEUSzHQAAJfnWTaX46L6o7LyXhMfBUCcPrNi-uXNgoOaI8PMDQ
> > >
> >

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