Hi Till,

Thank you for picking up this topic. Explicit and consistent stability
guarantees are important for our users as well as any downstream project of
Apache Flink. Documenting the de-facto status quo and tackling existing
inconsistencies sounds like a good first step. So, +1 from my side.

Two questions for clarity:
* Are you planning to implement the required tests via ArchUnit?
* Fixing existing "test failures" is in the scope of this FLIP, correct?

Cheers,

Konstantin

On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 3:48 PM Till Rohrmann <trohrm...@apache.org> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I would like to start a discussion about what kind of API stability
> guarantees we want to provide to our users. The Flink community already
> agreed on some stability guarantees, but these guarantees were only
> communicated via the ML and not properly documented [2]. Moreover, I've
> seen more and more complaints about breaking changes (some rightful and
> others not) on the ML recently [3] because we rarely mark our APIs as
> stable. This motivated this FLIP.
>
> The proposal first concentrates on source API stability guarantees. Binary
> stability guarantees are explicitly left out for a follow-up discussion.
>
> In essence, the proposal follows our current stability guarantees while
> updating the guarantees for @PublicEvolving that we are already providing
> w/o having stated them. Moreover, this FLIP proposes some guidelines for
> determining the stability guarantees for an API object, how to evolve them
> and some additional requirements for the return and parameter types of
> methods.
>
> All in all, I hope that this proposal is more reflecting our current
> understanding of stability guarantees than being controversial. One of the
> outcomes of this FLIP should be to properly document these guarantees so
> that it is easily discoverable and understandable for our users. Moreover,
> I hope that we can provide more stable APIs our users can rely and build
> upon.
>
> There will be a follow-up FLIP discussing the problem of how to make sure
> that APIs become stable over time.
>
> Looking forward to your feedback.
>
> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/IJeqCw
> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/5jm25783oq5svyk7rr8g1gly2ooxqhjr
> [3] https://lists.apache.org/thread/kzhfc3t6omzo2kyo8zj9yxoh8twq5fzr
>
> Cheers,
> Till
>


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