To expand on Till's answer, Flink uses Kryo whenever the type system does
not recognize a given type. If your job works with Kryo fallback disabled,
there should be no usage of Kryo serialization in your snapshots[1]. In
theory, it should be possible to upgrade Kryo using Flink's schema
migration capabilities but I'm not aware of anyone who has looked into the
details or is working on this.

Seth

[1]
https://ci.apache.org/projects/flink/flink-docs-master/dev/types_serialization.html#disabling-kryo-fallback

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 10:46 AM Till Rohrmann <trohrm...@apache.org> wrote:

> Yes, I think that Flink uses whatever key-/value-serializer is defined for
> serializing the keys/values for a savepoint.
>
> I haven't looked in detail into the problem but if Kryo offers some
> migration options, then this could make the problem a bit easier.
>
> Cheers,
> Till
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 2:44 PM Niels Basjes <ni...@basjes.nl> wrote:
>
> > Till,
> >
> > So, we save the savepoints using the Kryo native format?
> > But I see that Kryo 2.24 (as mentioned here) is from may 2014 ...
> > that's ... really old !
> > https://github.com/EsotericSoftware/kryo/releases/tag/kryo-2.24.0
> >
> > I see that Kryo has some suggestions on the migration options:
> >
> >
> https://github.com/EsotericSoftware/kryo/wiki/Migration-to-v5#migration-guide
> > One thing is that they have an extra artifact that allows having multiple
> > versions of Kryo in a single application to make this possible.
> >
> > Niels Basjes
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 2:14 PM Till Rohrmann <trohrm...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Fred,
> > >
> > > one reason why this hasn't been updated is that Flink needs to ensure
> > > backwards compatibility. Hence, if the newer Kryo library serializes
> > > objects differently, then Flink would need to migrate old savepoints
> > having
> > > been stored via the old Kryo serializer to the new format. This is
> > > currently not supported and afaik blocks upgrading this library.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Till
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 11:41 AM Teunissen, F.G.J. (Fred)
> > > <fred.teunis...@ing.com.invalid> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > While I was resolving a dependency version conflict in our project
> that
> > > > uses Flink v1.11.2 I noticed that Flink is using the library
> > > > ‘com.esotericsoftware.kryo:kryo<
> > > > https://mvnrepository.com/artifact/com.esotericsoftware.kryo/kryo
> > > > >:2.24.0’.
> > > > Is there a reason why this library isn’t updated to a more recent
> > version
> > > > (the last one is `com.esotericsoftware: kryo<
> > > > https://mvnrepository.com/artifact/com.esotericsoftware/kryo
> >:5.0.3`)
> > > >
> > > > Note. The groupId has been changed, so that could be the reason why
> it
> > is
> > > > missed.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Fred Teunissen
> > > >
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