Hi Timo,

Thank you for the proposal. I think it is an important improvement that
will benefit many parts of the Table API. The proposal looks really good
to me and personally I would be comfortable with voting on the current
state.

Best,

Dawid

On 23/03/2020 18:53, Timo Walther wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I received some questions around how the new interfaces play together
> with formats and their factories.
>
> Furthermore, for MySQL or Postgres CDC logs, the format should be able
> to return a `ChangelogMode`.
>
> Also, I incorporated the feedback around the factory design in general.
>
> I added a new section `Factory Interfaces` to the design document.
> This should be helpful to understand the big picture and connecting
> the concepts.
>
> Please let me know what you think?
>
> Thanks,
> Timo
>
>
> On 18.03.20 13:43, Timo Walther wrote:
>> Hi Benchao,
>>
>> this is a very good question. I will update the FLIP about this.
>>
>> The legacy planner will not support the new interfaces. It will only
>> support the old interfaces. With the next release, I think the Blink
>> planner is stable enough to be the default one as well.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Timo
>>
>> On 18.03.20 08:45, Benchao Li wrote:
>>> Hi Timo,
>>>
>>> Thank you and others for the efforts to prepare this FLIP.
>>>
>>> The FLIP LGTM generally.
>>>
>>> +1 for moving blink data structures to table-common, it's useful to
>>> udf too
>>> in the future.
>>> A little question is, do we plan to support the new interfaces and data
>>> types in legacy planner?
>>> Or we only plan to support these new interfaces in blink planner.
>>>
>>> And using primary keys from DDL instead of derived key information from
>>> each query is also a good idea,
>>> we met some use cases where this does not works very well before.
>>>
>>> This FLIP also makes the dependencies of table modules more clear, I
>>> like
>>> it very much.
>>>
>>> Timo Walther <twal...@apache.org> 于2020年3月17日周二 上午1:36写道:
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> I'm happy to present the results of long discussions that we had
>>>> internally. Jark, Dawid, Aljoscha, Kurt, Jingsong, me, and many more
>>>> have contributed to this design document.
>>>>
>>>> We would like to propose new long-term table source and table sink
>>>> interfaces:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/FLIP-95%3A+New+TableSource+and+TableSink+interfaces
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is a requirement for FLIP-105 and finalizing FLIP-32.
>>>>
>>>> The goals of this FLIP are:
>>>>
>>>> - Simplify the current interface architecture:
>>>>       - Merge upsert, retract, and append sinks.
>>>>       - Unify batch and streaming sources.
>>>>       - Unify batch and streaming sinks.
>>>>
>>>> - Allow sources to produce a changelog:
>>>>       - UpsertTableSources have been requested a lot by users. Now
>>>> is the
>>>> time to open the internal planner capabilities via the new interfaces.
>>>>       - According to FLIP-105, we would like to support changelogs for
>>>> processing formats such as Debezium.
>>>>
>>>> - Don't rely on DataStream API for source and sinks:
>>>>       - According to FLIP-32, the Table API and SQL should be
>>>> independent
>>>> of the DataStream API which is why the `table-common` module has no
>>>> dependencies on `flink-streaming-java`.
>>>>       - Source and sink implementations should only depend on the
>>>> `table-common` module after FLIP-27.
>>>>       - Until FLIP-27 is ready, we still put most of the interfaces in
>>>> `table-common` and strictly separate interfaces that communicate
>>>> with a
>>>> planner and actual runtime reader/writers.
>>>>
>>>> - Implement efficient sources and sinks without planner dependencies:
>>>>       - Make Blink's internal data structures available to connectors.
>>>>       - Introduce stable interfaces for data structures that can be
>>>> marked as `@PublicEvolving`.
>>>>       - Only require dependencies on `flink-table-common` in the
>>>> future
>>>>
>>>> It finalizes the concept of dynamic tables and consideres how all
>>>> source/sink related classes play together.
>>>>
>>>> We look forward to your feedback.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Timo
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>

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