Hi Gyula!

My main motivation was to try and avoid mixing an internal interface
(Pipeline) with public API. It looks like this is trying to go "public
stable", but doesn't really do it exactly because of mixing "pipeline" into
this.
You would need to cast "Pipeline" and work on internal classes in the
implementation.

If we use an "internal API" or a "semi-stable SPI" class, it looks at a
first glance a bit cleaner and more maintainable (opening up less surface)
to make the PipelineExecutor a "stable SPI".
I have not checked out all the details, though.

Best,
Stephan


On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:47 PM Gyula Fóra <gyula.f...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Stephan!
>
> Thanks for checking this out. I agree that wrapping the other
> PipelineExecutors with a delegating AtlasExecutor would be a good
> alternative approach to implement this but I actually feel that it suffers
> even more problems than exposing the Pipeline instance in the JobListener.
>
> The main idea with the Atlas integration would be to have the Atlas hook
> logic in the Atlas project where it would be maintained. This means that
> any approach we take has to rely on public APIs. The JobListener is already
> a public evolving API while the PipelineExecutor and the factory is purely
> internal. Even if we make it public it will still expose the Pipeline so we
> did not gain much on the public/internal API front.
>
> I also feel that since the Atlas hook logic should only observe the
> pipeline and collect information the JobListener interface seems an ideal
> match and the implementation can be pretty lightweight. From a purely
> implementation perspective adding an Executor would be more heavy as it has
> to properly delegate to an other executor making sure that we don't break
> anything.
>
> Don't take me wrong, I am not opposed to reworking the implementations we
> have as it's very simple at this point but I also want to make sure that we
> take the approach that is simple from a maintainability standpoint. Of
> course my argument rests on the assumption that the AtlasHook itself will
> live outside of the Flink project, thats another question.
>
> Cheers,
> Gyula
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:34 AM Stephan Ewen <se...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi all!
> >
> > In general, nice idea to support this integration with Atlas.
> >
> > I think we could make this a bit easier/lightweight with a small change.
> > One of the issues that is not super nice is that this starts exposing the
> > (currently empty) Pipeline interface in the public API.
> > The Pipeline is an SPI interface that would be good to hide in the API.
> >
> > Since 1.10, Flink has the notion of Executors, which take the pipeline
> and
> > execute them. Meaning each pipeline is passed on anyways. And executors
> are
> > already configurable in the Flink configuration.
> > So, instead of passing the pipeline both "down" (to the executor) and "to
> > the side" (JobListener), could we just have a wrapping "AtlasExecutor"
> that
> > takes the pipeline, does whatever it wants, and then passes it to the
> > proper executor? This would also have the advantage that it supports
> making
> > changes to the pipeline, if needed in the future. For example, if there
> is
> > ever the need to add additional configuration fields, set properties, add
> > "labels" or so, this could be easily done in the suggested approach.
> >
> > I tried to sketch this in the picture below, pardon my bad drawing.
> >
> > [image: Listener_Executor.png]
> >
> >
> >
> https://xjcrkw.bn.files.1drv.com/y4pWH57aEvLU5Ww4REC9XLi7nJMLGHq2smPSzaslU8ogywFDcMkP-_Rsl8B1njf4qphodim6bgnLTNFwNoEuwFdTuA2Xmf7CJ_8lTJjrKlFlDwrugVeBQzEhAY7n_5j2bumwDBf29jn_tZ1ueZxe2slhLkPC-9K6Dry_vpvRvZRY-CSnQXxj9jDf7P53Vz1K9Ez/Listener_Executor.png?psid=1
> >
> >
> > Best,
> > Stephan
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:41 AM Aljoscha Krettek <aljos...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks! I'm reading the document now and will get back to you.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Aljoscha
> >>
> >
>

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