Thanks for your reply Robert. That sounds great.
Best,
tison.
Robert Metzger <rmetz...@apache.org> 于2020年3月9日周一 下午5:46写道：
> Hey Tison,
>
> only people we have manually given write permission to the Wiki are able to
> add a blog post. If somebody is posting something we don't want there, we
> can just revoke that person's permission to write on the blog.
>
> It is definitely something we should keep an eye on, but I don't think we
> need to get active beforehand.
>
> Best,
> Robert
>
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:02 AM tison <wander4...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thank Arvid & Robert for the effort. Amazing!
> >
> > I'm curious the procedure a blog get posted. Follow the discussion so far
> > it seems any contributor can post his blog under the directory as he
> > wishes,
> > is it the case?
> >
> > Best,
> > tison.
> >
> >
> > Arvid Heise <ar...@ververica.com> 于2020年3月9日周一 下午4:54写道：
> >
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > Robert added a link to the engine room blog on the Apache wiki [1].
> It's
> > > currently empty except for one test post. To add a new post, you just
> > > create a new blog post from the top menu ("engine room" is just a fancy
> > > link to the default blog).
> > >
> > > Robert would like to write about the migration to Azure Pipelines and I
> > > would write a post about plugins in the next days. After having these
> > > ready, I'd start a shorter round of discussion about style guidelines
> > (more
> > > meant as a guidance than restriction). I'd explicitly ask for feedback
> on
> > > user ML as well at this point. Of course, we are happy about any early
> > > contribution of more blog posts.
> > >
> > > If we have more posts at a later point in time, we would discuss blog
> > > structure and find out easy ways/tools to migrate revised articles to
> the
> > > official Flink blog.
> > >
> > > [1]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/Apache+Flink+Home
> > >
> > > On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 7:51 PM Rong Rong <walter...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > +1 on Arvid's proposal. looking forward to the "Engine Room" blog
> > series.
> > > > :-D
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Rong
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 12:08 AM Yu Li <car...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > +1 to Arvid's proposal, thanks for the efforts!
> > > > >
> > > > > Best Regards,
> > > > > Yu
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 at 23:04, Zhijiang <wangzhijiang...@aliyun.com
> > > > .invalid>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for this proposal Arvid!
> > > > > > +1 and looking forward to the wiki structure and more following
> > > blogs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > Zhijiang
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > From:Dian Fu <dian0511...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > Send Time:2020 Mar. 5 (Thu.) 19:08
> > > > > > To:dev <dev@flink.apache.org>
> > > > > > Subject:Re: Flink dev blog
> > > > > >
> > > > > > +1 to Arvid's proposal
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 在 2020年3月5日，下午6:49，Jark Wu <imj...@gmail.com> 写道：
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > +1 to Arvid's proposal.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 at 18:13, Robert Metzger <
> rmetz...@apache.org
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> +1 to Arvid's proposal.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 4:14 AM Xingbo Huang <
> hxbks...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> Thanks a for this proposal.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> As a new contributor to Flink, it would be very helpful to
> have
> > > > such
> > > > > > >> blogs
> > > > > > >>> for us to understand the future of Flink and get involved
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> BTW, I have a question whether the dev blog needs a template
> > like
> > > > > FLIP.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Of course, There is no doubt that dev blogs do not need to be
> > as
> > > > > formal
> > > > > > >> as
> > > > > > >>> FLIP, but templates can be more helpful for developers to
> > > > understand
> > > > > > >>> articles.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Best,
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Xingbo
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Arvid Heise <ar...@ververica.com> 于2020年3月5日周四 上午2:55写道：
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> I see that the majority would like to have an uncomplicated
> > > > process
> > > > > to
> > > > > > >>>> publish an article first to gather feedback and then like to
> > > have
> > > > > > >>> polished
> > > > > > >>>> versions on the blog with official review process.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Then, the obvious solution is to have a process that is
> > > two-fold:
> > > > > > >>>> * First a draft is published and reviewed by peers. The
> draft
> > > > could
> > > > > be
> > > > > > >>>> polished in smaller increments including proof-reading by
> > > > > native-level
> > > > > > >>>> writers.
> > > > > > >>>> * Second, when the draft converged enough, we would then
> make
> > an
> > > > > > >> official
> > > > > > >>>> pull request for the dev blog, which would (hopefully) be
> > merged
> > > > > > rather
> > > > > > >>>> quickly.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> For the draft, we would have a wiki subarea "Engine room",
> > which
> > > > > would
> > > > > > >> be
> > > > > > >>>> the default location for such drafts. Pages in the wiki
> would
> > > > allow
> > > > > > >> for a
> > > > > > >>>> gradual polishing and may even live comparably long if the
> > > author
> > > > > does
> > > > > > >>> not
> > > > > > >>>> find the time for polishing. The information is in a
> > > > semi-published
> > > > > > >>> state,
> > > > > > >>>> where devs and experts can already find and use it, but it
> > would
> > > > not
> > > > > > >>>> attract as many views as in a blog.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> But I'd explicitly also allow drafts to go directly to a PR
> > > (with
> > > > > risk
> > > > > > >> of
> > > > > > >>>> having many iterations). I'd even say that if someone feels
> > more
> > > > > > >>>> comfortable to online editors such as google docs and has
> > enough
> > > > > > >>> reviewers
> > > > > > >>>> for that, they could go with it. Here, the author needs to
> > > ensure
> > > > a
> > > > > > >>> timely
> > > > > > >>>> progress or revert to the wiki, since all intermediate
> > versions
> > > > are
> > > > > > >>>> effectively hidden for non-reviewers.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Would the community agree with this approach or do you have
> > > > > concerns?
> > > > > > >> If
> > > > > > >>> no
> > > > > > >>>> major concerns are raised, I'd start preparation with the
> wiki
> > > on
> > > > > > >> Monday
> > > > > > >>>> (03/09/2020).
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> I'd raise the issue about wiki and blog structure, when we
> got
> > > > some
> > > > > > >>>> articles to avoid too many concurrent discussions.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 5:54 PM Zhijiang <
> > > > wangzhijiang...@aliyun.com
> > > > > > >>>> .invalid>
> > > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Big +1 for this proposal and second Ufuk's feeling!
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> I guess "Engine room" section in Wiki would attract lots of
> > > > > technical
> > > > > > >>>>> fans.:)
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Best,
> > > > > > >>>>> Zhijiang
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > >>>>> From:Yu Li <car...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > >>>>> Send Time:2020 Mar. 4 (Wed.) 14:42
> > > > > > >>>>> To:dev <dev@flink.apache.org>
> > > > > > >>>>> Cc:vthinkxie <vthink...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > >>>>> Subject:Re: Flink dev blog
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Big +1 on adding a dev blog and starting with wiki. And +1
> to
> > > > > promote
> > > > > > >>> the
> > > > > > >>>>> fully polished articles to blog web with a formal process.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> The latter one also brings up another good-to-have
> > improvement
> > > > that
> > > > > > >>>> adding
> > > > > > >>>>> categories and navigation in our blog so people could
> easily
> > > find
> > > > > > >>>> different
> > > > > > >>>>> topics like release-announcement/events/tech-articles, etc.
> > > but I
> > > > > > >> think
> > > > > > >>>>> we'd better open another thread to keep this one on track
> > > > (smile).
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> I'd also like to add one potential topic around
> in-production
> > > > > > >> practice
> > > > > > >>> of
> > > > > > >>>>> using RocksDB state backend (which seems to be a popular
> > topic
> > > in
> > > > > ML
> > > > > > >>>>> discussions), such as how to enable and monitor RocksDB
> > metrics
> > > > and
> > > > > > >> do
> > > > > > >>>>> debugging/perf-tuning with the metrics/logs, and introduce
> > > > > > >>>>> internals/details around the RocksDB memory management
> > > mechanism.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Best Regards,
> > > > > > >>>>> Yu
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> On Wed, 4 Mar 2020 at 11:07, Xintong Song <
> > > tonysong...@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> I also like Ufuk's idea.
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> The wiki allows people to post on their works in a quick
> and
> > > > > easier
> > > > > > >>>> way.
> > > > > > >>>>>> For me and probably many other Chinese folks, writing and
> > > > > > >> polishing a
> > > > > > >>>>>> formal article in English usually takes a long time, of
> > which
> > > a
> > > > > > >>>>> significant
> > > > > > >>>>>> portion is spent on polishing the language. If the blog
> does
> > > not
> > > > > > >>>> require
> > > > > > >>>>>> such formal and high quality languages, I believe it will
> > make
> > > > > > >>> things a
> > > > > > >>>>> lot
> > > > > > >>>>>> easier and encourage more people to share their ideas.
> > > Besides,
> > > > it
> > > > > > >>> also
> > > > > > >>>>>> avoids putting more review workloads on committers.
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> Regarding promoting wiki post to the main blog, I think
> the
> > > wiki
> > > > > > >>>>> feedbacks
> > > > > > >>>>>> (comment, likes, etc.) could be a great input. We can also
> > > > contact
> > > > > > >>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>> original author before promoting posts to the main blog to
> > > > refine
> > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > >>>>>> article (responding to the wiki comments, polishing
> > languages,
> > > > > > >> adding
> > > > > > >>>>>> latest updates, etc.).
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> Thank you~
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> Xintong Song
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 10:25 AM Jark Wu <imj...@gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> +1 for this.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Regarding to the place to hold blogs. Personally, I
> prefer
> > to
> > > > use
> > > > > > >>>>>> existing
> > > > > > >>>>>>> blog and separate by tags/categories and title names.
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Because, the dev blogs are very good learning materials.
> I
> > > > > > >> believe
> > > > > > >>>> many
> > > > > > >>>>>>> users will be interested in these posts. It's just like
> > > > > > >>>>>>> "Technology Deep Dive" talks in Flink Forward which
> > attracts
> > > > many
> > > > > > >>>>>>> audiences. Putting them with main blog together can help
> > > > > > >>>>>>> to give the dev blogs more exposure.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> But I also share Robert's concern. So I'm in favor of
> > Ufuk's
> > > > > > >> idea:
> > > > > > >>>>>> starting
> > > > > > >>>>>>> with Wiki, and moving good posts to the main blog
> > gradually.
> > > > > > >>>>>>> We should also improve our current blog web to support
> > > > > > >>>> tags/categories.
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Maybe @vthink...@gmail.com <vthink...@gmail.com> Yadong
> > can
> > > > help
> > > > > > >>> on
> > > > > > >>>>>> this.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Best,
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Jark
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> On Wed, 4 Mar 2020 at 05:03, Ufuk Celebi <u...@apache.org
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> +1 on starting with the Wiki. I really like the name
> > "Engine
> > > > > > >>> room".
> > > > > > >>>>> Can
> > > > > > >>>>>>> we
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> name the section in the Wiki like that? In general, if
> we
> > > > think
> > > > > > >>>> that
> > > > > > >>>>> a
> > > > > > >>>>>>> post
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> or a series of posts would be a good fit for the main
> > blog,
> > > it
> > > > > > >>>> would
> > > > > > >>>>> be
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> pretty straightforward to promote a post from the Engine
> > > room
> > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > >>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>> main
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> blog (including further edits, focus on language, etc.)
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> – Ufuk
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 5:58 PM Rong Rong <
> > > walter...@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Big +1 on this. Some of these topics are not only for
> > > > > > >>>> contributors,
> > > > > > >>>>>> but
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> would also be super useful for advance users.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> One topic I can think of in addition is:
> > Security/Kerberos.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Echo on Both Seth's idea, we could have both wiki and
> PR
> > > > > > >>>>> submission:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> As Robert mentioned - wiki submission would make the
> > > > > > >> experience
> > > > > > >>>>> more
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> frictionless.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I was having concerns splitting the blog posts in two
> > > places,
> > > > > > >>>> but I
> > > > > > >>>>>>> also
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> think adding the banner/blog-series of "Flink Engine
> > Room"
> > > > > > >>> would
> > > > > > >>>>> help
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> readers distinct between the two.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> --
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Rong
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 8:39 AM Dian Fu <
> > > > > > >> dian0511...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Big +1 on this idea. It will benefit both the
> developers
> > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > >>>>> users
> > > > > > >>>>>> a
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> lot.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Regarding to the place to hold these blogs, my
> > preference
> > > > > > >> is
> > > > > > >>> 3)
> > > > > > >>>>> as
> > > > > > >>>>>> I
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> notice that there are already a few high quality blogs
> > on
> > > > > > >>> flink
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> web-site[1]
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> and I guess that may be a good place to start with. We
> > > just
> > > > > > >>>> need
> > > > > > >>>>> to
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> figure
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> out a way to let contributors clearly mark the
> audience
> > of
> > > > > > >>>> their
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> articles
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> and also help users to easily determine whether the
> > > content
> > > > > > >>> is
> > > > > > >>>>> what
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> they
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> want.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Dian
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> [1] https://flink.apache.org/blog/ <
> > > > > > >>>>> https://flink.apache.org/blog/
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 在 2020年3月3日，下午11:14，Yadong Xie <vthink...@gmail.com>
> > 写道：
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Hi all
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> maybe we can use markdown & GitHub to make the
> > submission
> > > > > > >>>> easy
> > > > > > >>>>> to
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> review
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> I have set up a similar blog for Flink-china blog
> > > > > > >>>>>>> before(deprecated),
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> glad
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> to offer help if needed
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> here is the link: https://github.com/flink-china/doc
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Seth Wiesman <sjwies...@gmail.com> 于2020年3月3日周二
> > > > > > >> 下午10:51写道：
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> For lack of a better way to put this, I think the
> > > > > > >> location
> > > > > > >>>>>> depends
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> on
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> level of effort you want to put into writing these
> > > > > > >>> articles.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> If they are informal design documents then I think
> the
> > > > > > >>> wiki
> > > > > > >>>> is
> > > > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> way
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> to
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> go.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> If you want to have them be more polished then the
> > > > > > >>> existing
> > > > > > >>>>>> blog.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> This
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> means going through a PR on the flink website,
> > thinking
> > > > > > >>>> about
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> language,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> etc. If we go this route we can distinguish them
> with
> > a
> > > > > > >>>> series
> > > > > > >>>>>>> title
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> like
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> "Flink Engine Room" and a disclaimer at the top.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> "Flink Engine Room: Plugins"
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> "Flink Engine Room is a series of blog posts
> covering
> > > > > > >>>> ongoing
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> development
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> on Apache Flink internals, why decisions were made,
> > and
> > > > > > >>> how
> > > > > > >>>>> they
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> will
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> impact future development. The information described
> > in
> > > > > > >>> this
> > > > > > >>>>>> post
> > > > > > >>>>>>> is
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> not
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> required to successfully write and deploy Flink
> > > > > > >>> applications
> > > > > > >>>>> in
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> production."
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Seth
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 8:29 AM Arvid Heise <
> > > > > > >>>>> ar...@ververica.com
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I think there is enough to positive to start
> setting
> > it
> > > > > > >>> up.
> > > > > > >>>>>> That
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> begs
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> question: in which format.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Following possibilities exist:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Use wiki as Robert pointed out.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Add new blog.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Use existing blog and separate by tags #user,
> > > > > > >> #expert,
> > > > > > >>>>> #dev
> > > > > > >>>>>>> (can
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> be
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> mixed). Start page could filter on #user by
> default.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) ???
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm assuming only few have a strong opinion, so I'd
> > be
> > > > > > >>>> happy
> > > > > > >>>>> if
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> you'd
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> just
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> drop your numbers in order of highest to lowest
> > > > > > >>> preference.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 2:48 PM Piotr Nowojski <
> > > > > > >>>>>>> pi...@ververica.com
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for the idea :) And fully agree to clearly
> > separate
> > > > > > >>>> them.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the original idea was writing about some
> > > > > > >> recent
> > > > > > >>>>>> changes
> > > > > > >>>>>>> in
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flink’s code base, that could affect other Flink
> > > > > > >>>> developers
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (contributors/committers). Like for example some
> new
> > > > > > >>>>>>> ideas/future
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> directions that we want to follow. Especially if
> > they
> > > > > > >>> are
> > > > > > >>>>> work
> > > > > > >>>>>>> in
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> progress
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and there is lots of old code not adhering to
> those
> > > > > > >> new
> > > > > > >>>>> ideas.
> > > > > > >>>>>>> In
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> some
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> later responses, it seemed like people are more
> > > > > > >> thinking
> > > > > > >>>>> about
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> presenting
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> some more advanced features, like a deep tech dive
> > for
> > > > > > >>>> power
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> users.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m not opposing the deep tech dives, but I just
> > > > > > >> wanted
> > > > > > >>> to
> > > > > > >>>>>> note
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> that
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> is a
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> different target audience. I think the dev blogs
> > could
> > > > > > >>>> cover
> > > > > > >>>>>>> both
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> of
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> them.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> At least initially. Later on we can decide to put
> > more
> > > > > > >>>>>> emphasis
> > > > > > >>>>>>> on
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> power
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> users or Flink devs, or split them, or whatever.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Piotrek
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3 Mar 2020, at 12:37, Jingsong Li <
> > > > > > >>>>> jingsongl...@gmail.com
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for this proposal. I have a lot of desired
> > topics
> > > > > > >> in
> > > > > > >>>>> table
> > > > > > >>>>>>> and
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> batch.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also second Seth and Stephan 's comment
> separate
> > > > > > >> this
> > > > > > >>>> in
> > > > > > >>>>> a
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> clear
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> way.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have concerns that maybe easy to confuse new
> users.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I am a beginner and find a bunch of deep
> > > > > > >> documents,
> > > > > > >>> I
> > > > > > >>>>> need
> > > > > > >>>>>>> to
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> further
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distinguish which is effective and which is
> invalid
> > > > > > >> for
> > > > > > >>>> me,
> > > > > > >>>>>>> which
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> may
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me a lot of trouble.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jingsong Lee
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 6:36 PM Flavio
> Pompermaier <
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> pomperma...@okkam.it>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Big +1 from my side. I'd be very interested in
> > what
> > > > > > >>> Jeff
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> proposed,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> in
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular everything related to client part
> (job
> > > > > > >>>>>> submission,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> workflow
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> management, callbacks on
> > submission/success/failure,
> > > > > > >>>> etc).
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Something I can't find anywhere is also how to
> > query
> > > > > > >>>> Flink
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> states..would it
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be possible to have something like the Presto UI
> > > > > > >> [1]?
> > > > > > >>>> Does
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Flink
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some sort of query queuing? I heard about a
> query
> > > > > > >>> proxy
> > > > > > >>>>>> server
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> but I
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know if there's a will to push in that
> direction.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For Stateful Functions it would be nice to
> deeply
> > > > > > >>>> compare
> > > > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> taxi
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> driver
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solution with a more common implementation (i.e.
> > > > > > >>> using a
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> database
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> to
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> persist the legal data..is it safe to keep them
> > as a
> > > > > > >>>> Flink
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> state?).
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > >
> > https://www.tutorialspoint.com/apache_presto/images/web_interface.jpg
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flavio
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 10:47 AM Jeff Zhang <
> > > > > > >>>>>> zjf...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for this proposal. I am preparing some
> > articles
> > > > > > >>> for
> > > > > > >>>>> how
> > > > > > >>>>>>> to
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> use
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flink
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zeppelin, although it is not closely related
> with
> > > > > > >>> this
> > > > > > >>>>>> topic,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> but
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helpful for users to get started with Flink.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Till Rohrmann <trohrm...@apache.org>
> > 于2020年3月3日周二
> > > > > > >>>>>> 下午5:39写道：
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like the idea. +1 from my side.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Potential topics:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Scheduling
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Cluster partitions
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Memory configuration
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Recovery
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Till
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 3:56 AM Xintong Song <
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> tonysong...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Big +1. Thanks for the idea, Arvid.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd be excited to read such blogs.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And we would also be happy to contribute some
> > > > > > >>>> contents
> > > > > > >>>>> on
> > > > > > >>>>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> newest
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> efforts from our team.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Potential topics:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Memory configuration
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Active Kubernetes integration
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - GPU support
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Pluggable (dynamic) slot allocation
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you~
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Xintong Song
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 9:59 AM Benchao Li <
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> libenc...@gmail.com
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for this proposal. As a contributor, it
> > would
> > > > > > >>> be
> > > > > > >>>>> very
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> helpful
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such blogs for us to understand status and
> > > > > > >> future
> > > > > > >>> of
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Flink.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert Metzger <rmetz...@apache.org>
> > > > > > >> 于2020年3月3日周二
> > > > > > >>>>>>> 上午6:00写道：
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would be excited to read such a blog
> (can I
> > > > > > >>>> request
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> topics?
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> :)
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> )
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We could start very low key by using our
> > wiki's
> > > > > > >>>> blog
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> feature:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewrecentblogposts.action?key=FLINK
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 8:26 PM Stephan
> Ewen <
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> se...@apache.org>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great idea, but I also second Seth's
> comment
> > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > >>>>>> separate
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> this
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clear
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way. It's easy to confuse new / potential
> > > > > > >> users.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 8:15 PM Seth
> Wiesman
> > <
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sjwies...@gmail.com
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 on the idea.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My only request would be they are clearly
> > > > > > >>> marked
> > > > > > >>>> as
> > > > > > >>>>>>> being
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internals /
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for advanced users to not give typical
> > users
> > > > > > >>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>> wrong
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impression
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much they need to understand to use
> Flink.
> > > > > > >>> Nico's
> > > > > > >>>>>>> network
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stack
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blog
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> post
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does this well[1].
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seth
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > https://flink.apache.org/2019/06/05/flink-network-stack.html
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:39 AM Ufuk
> > Celebi <
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> u...@apache.org>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd be happy to read such a blog. Big +1
> > as
> > > > > > >> a
> > > > > > >>>>>>> potential
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reader.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ;-)
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> – Ufuk
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:53 AM Arvid
> > Heise
> > > > > > >> <
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ar...@ververica.com
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear devs,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development speed of Flink has steadily
> > > > > > >>>>> increased.
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Lots
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concepts
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> introduced and technical debt removed.
> > > > > > >>> However,
> > > > > > >>>>>> it's
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> hard
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> track
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these things if you are not directly
> > > > > > >>> involved.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Especially
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributors, it's often not easy to
> know
> > > > > > >>> what
> > > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>> best
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practices
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are related work streams going
> on.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the runtime team, we had the idea to
> > set
> > > > > > >>> up
> > > > > > >>>> a
> > > > > > >>>>>> dev
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> blog
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> introduce newest developments. The
> scope
> > > > > > >>> should
> > > > > > >>>>> be
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> expert
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contribute to the project. Of course,
> > some
> > > > > > >>>>> articles
> > > > > > >>>>>>> may
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broader
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scope and even be linked from release
> > > > > > >> notes.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Examples from our team to give a more
> > > > > > >>> specific
> > > > > > >>>>>> idea:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Deprecated checkpoint lock and
> mailbox
> > > > > > >>> model
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Revised interface for two phase
> commit
> > > > > > >>> sinks
> > > > > > >>>>> and
> > > > > > >>>>>>> new
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JDBC
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sink
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * N-ary input operators
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Unaligned checkpoints
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Operator factories
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Plugins
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These articles would be less formal
> than
> > a
> > > > > > >>> FLIP
> > > > > > >>>>>> (but
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> link
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> avoid redundancy) and focus more on how
> > > > > > >> other
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> developers
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impacted by the changes. It can also be
> > > > > > >> used
> > > > > > >>> to
> > > > > > >>>>>> share
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiences
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the implementation.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We would like to ask the other teams if
> > > > > > >> they
> > > > > > >>>> see
> > > > > > >>>>> a
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefit
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blog
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and would like to contribute. Bonus
> > points
> > > > > > >> if
> > > > > > >>>> you
> > > > > > >>>>>>> could
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> examples
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your topics.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arvid
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Benchao Li
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> School of Electronics Engineering and
> Computer
> > > > > > >>>>> Science,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Peking
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> University
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tel:+86-15650713730
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: libenc...@gmail.com;
> > > > > > >> libenc...@pku.edu.cn
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best Regards
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff Zhang
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, Jingsong Lee
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
