I'm done. I wanted an executable version of the Falcon compiler so could run tests against real-world mxml applications in support of your work. The simple, honest answer is that you choose not to provide making that binary available, requiring anyone who wants to help to compile the framework.
As far as I can tell the actual state of that component is correctly stated in githup: https://github.com/apache/flex-falcon/commit/0d5171cabfa556b90ca007c0b91234b26ba66514 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 2:30 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosma...@gmail.com>wrote: > On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Terry Corbet <terry.cor...@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > Great, so which of us is in the FUD business? > > > > Okay, lets all drop this line of conversation here, please? This is not > very constructive. > > > > > > I asked for the ability to be able to run tests in support of your > product > > and I explicitly acknowledged that building the compiler is not within my > > means. You replied by giving me the well-known URLs for downloading what > > is available. Thank you, I know how to download. Where does anyone > > besides Alex get the ability to test against a set of requirements for > > successful compilation? He is working on his agenda for his "internal > > client" and making great progress. How can we make similar progress for > > our clients? > > > > The answer is 'maybe'. Without knowing your clients requirements, we may > not know. You are probably the best person to figure this out. > > > > > > Can you add the .exe file that you get when you recompile Falcon each > > night? If running Falcon.exe requires any other files, are they in the > > nightly output, easily downloadable by anyone wishing to run a regression > > against a previous test suite or, hopefully, move the ball down the field > > by adding a new, incremental test addition mxml and/or ActionScript > classes > > to push the envelope? > > > > Here is the how you can play with it today: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/FlexJS+Status > > Mind you that this wiki page has info on both Falcon and FlexJS. You > should be able to figure out where the Falcon stuff ends and FlexJS stuff > begins. I am curious to see what questions you will be raising after going > through this document. This will give us a better idea about what your > requirements are. Frankly, it is a bit unclear now. > > Thanks, > Om > > > > > > P.S. I can assuage your obvious angst. If the simple, honest answer to > > this request is, "No, we cannot do that", you will not need to waste any > > more energy on me. I, too, have a ton of work to do. > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Erik de Bruin <e...@ixsoftware.nl> > wrote: > > > > > Terry, > > > > > > > A. Where in the downloadable files is a version of Falcon that can > be > > > used > > > > to compile an mxml file? > > > > > > I'm not sure what you mean by downloadable files. There hasn't been a > > > release of Falcon yet, so there are no source or binary releases. You > > > can get the source from git and build the compiler yourself, there is > > > even a halfway decent README that should help you get started. > > > > > > > B. Where can I register to receive nightly updates showing which > tests > > > of > > > > the Falcon compiler have succeeded and which have failed in compiling > > an > > > > mxml file in the appropriate Jenkins runs? > > > > > > You don't have to register. Like everything else in Open Source and > > > especially with Apache.org, you can see for yourself, it's all > > > available publicly: > > > > > > https://builds.apache.org/job/flex-falcon/ > > > > > > > C. Where can I register to receive notification of each checkin > > showing > > > > changes to the Falcon compiler project. > > > > > > Again, no registration needed. You can create a clone of the git repo > > > with this command: > > > > > > git clone > > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/flex-falcon.gitflex-falcon > > > > > > This clone will have the full history of the development of the Falcon > > > and FalconJx compilers readily available for your perusal. Do a simple > > > git pull when you want to check the most recent updates. > > > > > > HTH, > > > > > > EdB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Erik de Bruin <e...@ixsoftware.nl> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Terry, > > > >> > > > >> I don't see where your fear and anger is coming from. The release > > > >> we're currently working on is purely the Flex SDK; all the > > > >> improvements and fixes are for SWF output, JavaScript is not even an > > > >> option. > > > >> > > > >> Meanwhile, the work on FlexJS is a separate stream in the project. > And > > > >> even FlexJS will offer the usual SWF output, while ADDING the extra > > > >> option of 'web native' output as a release build. > > > >> > > > >> The Falcon compiler is a fork of the ASC 2.0 compiler and will, > > > >> together with FalconJx, one day replace the 'old' compiler. More > > > >> importantly, and what you apparently haven't realised yet, is that > the > > > >> FalconJx cross compiler that's at the core of FlexJS relies heavily > on > > > >> the Falcon compiler. That means, there will be no full FlexJS > release > > > >> WITHOUT a 'completed' Falcon compiler. So, instead of diverting > > > >> resources away from the pure SDK, FlexJS is actually helping to move > > > >> the entire project to meet your 'demands'. > > > >> > > > >> Please stop with the FUD and help us make Apache Flex an even > greater > > > tool. > > > >> > > > >> If you want to contribute to the continued support and improvement > of > > > >> the Flex SDK, you can either use the new version of the Installer > > > >> (currently a Release Candidate) to download and install the SDK to > > > >> your IDE, or download one the nightly builds from: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > https://builds.apache.org/job/flex-sdk_release/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/out/ > > > >> > > > >> and work from the command line. Any input you can give the project > is > > > >> much appreciated! > > > >> > > > >> Thanks, > > > >> > > > >> EdB > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Terry Corbet < > terry.cor...@gmail.com > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > First, it has only been necessary to make such demands because > there > > > has > > > >> > been no championing of this task amongst the primary movers of the > > > Flex > > > >> > Apache project. I applaud every improvement, every success that > > Alex > > > has > > > >> > in meeting his objective with his unidentified in house customer > who > > > what > > > >> > been driving the allocation of efforts towards their goal, but > their > > > goal > > > >> > was not the primary goal of picking up the support of Flex by the > > > >> > community. If you step back and take a hard, objective look at > the > > > very > > > >> > facts motivated by your marketing person's asking for answers to > the > > > >> > business-making decisions that will be made concerning whether or > > not > > > to > > > >> > invest in the framework, you will notice that there really are no > > > strong > > > >> > motivators amongst the thousands of hours you have all spent in > > > turning > > > >> out > > > >> > the remarkable 4.10 release. > > > >> > > > > >> > I'm sorry, I know that hurts, but the fact of the matter is that > the > > > only > > > >> > reason I have to deciding to compile with 4.10 plus 3.8 instead of > > 4.6 > > > >> plus > > > >> > 3.8 is to help you debug/quality-assure the release. That's an > > > >> investment > > > >> > to help the community, not my in house customers. For my own set > of > > > >> needs > > > >> > every single advancement is attributable to enhancements in the > > > >> underlying > > > >> > Adobe engines from the time of the Flex divestiture. It is what > is > > in > > > >> > 11.6, 11.7, 11.8, what is in 3.6, 3.7, 3.8, that I am able to > > provide > > > a > > > >> > richer solution today than a year ago. > > > >> > > > > >> > That in no way diminishes the importance of what you have > > accomplished > > > >> but > > > >> > if it does not make the point that moving from an application > > > framework > > > >> > that runs atop the two Adobe virtual machines of Flash Player and > > AIR > > > to > > > >> > one that will run atop whomevers browser is completely > uninteresting > > > to > > > >> > some of us invested in Flex for large, complex, compute-intensive, > > > >> desktop > > > >> > applications, I don't know what else to say. I hope that running > in > > > >> > browsers will make tons of folks happy, all I want is that someone > > be > > > >> > concerned about making sure that running on desktops and tablets > be > > > the > > > >> > best that it can be. > > > >> > > > > >> > Second, what I will contribute is daily testing of Falcon against > > the > > > >> needs > > > >> > of those kinds of applications. > > > >> > > > > >> > Third, since I do not have the resources you have at your > disposal, > > > >> cannot > > > >> > compile the framework, please instruct me on where I can download > > > >> whatever > > > >> > set of binaries and any contingent libraries will allow me, just > > from > > > >> some > > > >> > simple command line environment to invoke the equivalent of amxmlc > > > >> some.as > > > >> > or amxmlc some.mxml and get a swf file that can be run with adl to > > > give > > > >> you > > > >> > feedback. > > > >> > > > > >> > Fourth, I am signed up for all the lists of which I am aware, > please > > > tell > > > >> > me where I can watch the nightly progress of Gordon's latest tests > > > >> against > > > >> > whatever set of bugs he is working his way through. If such a > list > > > had > > > >> > ever been published, it would have been possible to construct some > > > test > > > >> > cases to go against whatever remaining, corner conditions have > > > prevented > > > >> > your being able to include the Falcon compiler in your 4.10 > release. > > > It > > > >> is > > > >> > clear that you ahve such a prioritized list that has helped the > > > wonderful > > > >> > progress with FalconJX and the JavaScript world. With some > > > visibility to > > > >> > your process we ought to be able to surpass that rate of success > in > > > >> getting > > > >> > Falcon for Flex out the door. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 5:49 AM, Erik de Bruin < > e...@ixsoftware.nl> > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> >> Ok, Terry, you made your wishes (dare I say demands?) clear. Now > I > > > ask > > > >> >> you this: how are YOU going to contribute to make this happen? > > > >> >> > > > >> >> EdB > > > >> >> > > > >> >> PS. the Jenkins 'flex-falcon' job has been running nightly for > more > > > >> >> than 2 months now, successfully building and testing both Falcon > > and > > > >> >> FalconJx... > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 12:35 PM, J. Terry Corbet (JIRA) > > > >> >> <j...@apache.org> wrote: > > > >> >> > J. Terry Corbet created FLEX-33634: > > > >> >> > -------------------------------------- > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > Summary: Flex-Falcon > > > >> >> > Key: FLEX-33634 > > > >> >> > URL: > > > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33634 > > > >> >> > Project: Apache Flex > > > >> >> > Issue Type: Wish > > > >> >> > Components: Performance: Compiler > > > >> >> > Affects Versions: Apache Flex 4.11.0 > > > >> >> > Environment: The Desktop and the Tablet. > > > >> >> > Reporter: J. Terry Corbet > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > If this is not the right place for this request, please tell me > > > where > > > >> to > > > >> >> make it. > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > Alex says that the Falcon Compiler is successfully handling > some > > > large > > > >> >> test case he has. The notes on the Git page say that it is > 'almost > > > >> >> production worthy'. > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > The notes I find show that Erik expressly turned off the > testing > > of > > > >> the > > > >> >> compiler so that Jenkins would be clean. > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > OK, you got 4.10 out the door, great job. Now since it is a > top > > > >> >> priority, please > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > A. Turn on the nightly Falcon testing. > > > >> >> > B. Provide us with a nightly binary so we can help Alex test > > > against > > > >> >> our requirements. > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > I know that you are personally very excited about being able to > > get > > > >> out > > > >> >> from under Flex/Flash or any dependency except what a browser > will > > > >> provide, > > > >> >> but we who have stayed with Flex for all these years are > committed > > to > > > >> >> making our applications the best possible with the Adobe > Integrated > > > >> >> Runtime. Every time you successfully compile for the JS > > environment, > > > >> >> please give us the same capability to compile for the devices on > > > which > > > >> we > > > >> >> run. If you move one step forward on being able to generate > > > JavaScript, > > > >> >> please gives us one step forward on being able to compile > > > ActionScript. > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > I think any Flex 4.11 Release Candidate that does not > > successfully > > > >> >> compile our applications with the new compiler should be voted > down > > > by > > > >> all > > > >> >> who own that privilege. Move to JavaScript as fast as the wind > > will > > > >> blow > > > >> >> you there, but please stop leaving us behind. > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > -- > > > >> >> > This message is automatically generated by JIRA. > > > >> >> > If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA > > > >> >> administrators > > > >> >> > For more information on JIRA, see: > > > >> >> http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> -- > > > >> >> Ix Multimedia Software > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Jan Luykenstraat 27 > > > >> >> 3521 VB Utrecht > > > >> >> > > > >> >> T. 06-51952295 > > > >> >> I. www.ixsoftware.nl > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> Ix Multimedia Software > > > >> > > > >> Jan Luykenstraat 27 > > > >> 3521 VB Utrecht > > > >> > > > >> T. 06-51952295 > > > >> I. www.ixsoftware.nl > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Ix Multimedia Software > > > > > > Jan Luykenstraat 27 > > > 3521 VB Utrecht > > > > > > T. 06-51952295 > > > I. www.ixsoftware.nl > > > > > >
