Thanks Alex,

I pretty much think the same way as you, and I believe that Parsley should
be hosted in our codebase for some time to give the Parsley community the
impression of stability for them. Since the release of the Cairngorm 3 spec
[1] and the Cairngorm 3 libraries with Parsley support [2], lot's of
companies are you using Parsley, and, I doubt that, with the current
situation, they feel comfortable with it.

Also adding a new mailing list for all Swiz users, Parsley users and the
Cairngorm 3 library users would be great at Apache Flex, but, I seem to
fail to bring this to point over to Jens ... please check out my previous
argumentation [3]. Is there anyone on this list who is willing to step in
and share your point with Jens in the SpiceFactory forum? Thanks !!!

[1] http://sourceforge.net/adobe/cairngorm/home/Home/
[2] http://sourceforge.net/adobe/cairngorm/wiki/CairngormLibraries/
[3] http://spicefactory.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3803


-- 
Sebastian (PPMC)
Interaction Designer

Looking for a Login Example with Apache Flex? Please check out this code:
http://code.google.com/p/masuland/wiki/LoginExample


On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:30 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com> wrote:

> Hi Sebastian,
>
> You quoted the last of 3 posts in that thread.  To me, the most important
> snippet is in the original post where the OP asks: "Jens, if you're still
> around..."
>
> The point of donating Swiz or Parsley or any existing code base to Apache
> is that at Apache, there are mailing lists that you know people are
> reading.  If I was a consumer of Parsley but didn't have the skills or
> time to make changes to it, I would be worried about how to get
> maintenance and support for it.  But if Parsley was donated to Apache, I
> might not have that worry.
>
> Jens is incorrect about whether Apache can just take a fork.  Legally it
> can, it from a policy perspective, Apache does not "take" code.  I suppose
> we could argue that Jens' post gives us permission, but it would be better
> if he was more explicit, and if the code is copyrighted to Spice Factory
> instead of Jens personally, we probably need a Software Grant from Spice
> Factory.
>
> Apache is a corporation and does come with more overhead than a GitHub
> project probably does, but that overhead provides legal, process, and
> infrastructural guarantees that should draw more corporate customers.
>
> -Alex
>
> On 6/27/13 4:23 AM, "Sebastian Mohr" <flex.masul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Hi there,
> >
> >just wonder what you think about this forum post of the SpiceFactory forum
> >[1]:
> >
> >"With all due respect, I don't believe Apache did anything good with Flex.
> >They struggle with a lot of internal bureaucracy and I believe that
> >without
> >clear leadership, this "meritocracy" thing just doesn't work. For the past
> >year, Apache Flex community debated whether they should move to Git and
> >right now when they did, they figured out that most people don't know how
> >to use it, etc. etc. In other words, to much "nerd" driven, not enough
> >"business realistic" driven."
> >
> >[1] http://www.spicefactory.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3803
> >
> >
> >--
> >Sebastian (PPMC)
> >Interaction Designer
> >
> >Looking for a Login Example with Apache Flex? Please check out this code:
> >http://code.google.com/p/masuland/wiki/LoginExample
>
>

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