Hi Andrew,
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dumitrescu, Cristian <cristian.dumitre...@intel.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 5:25 PM
>
> Hi Ori,
>
> A few questions on top of Ferruh's questions for better understanding the
> concept inlined below:
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ori Kam <or...@nvidia.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 2:17 PM
> > To: Ferruh Yigit <ferruh.yi...@amd.com>; Dariusz Sosnowski
> > <dsosnow...@nvidia.com>; Dumitrescu, Cristian
> > <cristian.dumitre...@intel.com>; NBU-Contact-Thomas Monjalon
> (EXTERNAL)
> > <tho...@monjalon.net>; Andrew Rybchenko
> > <andrew.rybche...@oktetlabs.ru>
> > Cc: dev@dpdk.org; Raslan Darawsheh <rasl...@nvidia.com>
> > Subject: RE: [RFC] ethdev: introduce entropy calculation
> >
> > Hi Ferruh,
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ferruh Yigit <ferruh.yi...@amd.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 1:35 PM
> > >
> > > On 12/10/2023 8:30 AM, Ori Kam wrote:
> > > > When offloading rules with the encap action, the HW may calculate
> entropy
> > > based on the encap protocol.
> > > > Each HW can implement a different algorithm.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Hi Ori,
> > >
> > > Can you please provide more details what this 'entropy' is used for,
> > > what is the usecase?
> >
> > Sure, in some tunnel protocols, for example, VXLAN, NVGE it is possible to
> > add
> > entropy value in one of the
> > fields of the tunnel. In VXLAN for example it is in the source port,
> > From the VXLAN protocol:
> > Source Port: It is recommended that the UDP source port number
> > be calculated using a hash of fields from the inner packet --
> > one example being a hash of the inner Ethernet frame's headers.
> > This is to enable a level of entropy for the ECMP/load-
> > balancing of the VM-to-VM traffic across the VXLAN overlay.
> > When calculating the UDP source port number in this manner, it
> > is RECOMMENDED that the value be in the dynamic/private port
> > range 49152-65535 [RFC6335].
> >
> > Since encap groups number of different 5 tuples together, if HW doesn’t know
> > how to RSS
> > based on the inner application will not be able to get any distribution of
> packets.
> >
> > This value is used to reflect the inner packet on the outer header, so
> distribution
> > will be possible.
> >
> > The main use case is, if application does full offload and implements the
> > encap
> on
> > the RX.
> > For example:
> > Ingress/FDB match on 5 tuple encap send to hairpin / different port in
> > case of
> > switch.
> >
>
> Smart idea! So basically the user is able to get an idea on how good the RSS
> distribution is, correct?
>
Not exactly, this simply allows the distribution.
Maybe entropy is a bad name, this is the name they use in the protocol, but in
reality
this is some hash calculated on the packet header before the encap and set in
the encap header.
Using this hash results in entropy for the packets. Which can be used for load
balancing.
Maybe better name would be:
Rte_flow_calc_entropy_hash?
or maybe rte_flow_calc_encap_hash (I like it less since it looks like we
calculate the hash on the encap data and not the inner part)
what do you think?
> Can you elaborate a bit on how the entropy is measured: is it a number, what
> is
> the range of values, does higher value means better, etc.
>
Please see my above answer, this is not entropy value but value used for
entropy.
> > The issue starts when there is a miss on the 5 tuple table for example, due
> > to
> syn
> > packet.
> > A packet arrives at the application, and then the application offloads the
> > rule.
> > So the application must encap the packet and set the same entropy as the HW
> > will do for all the rest
> > of the packets.
> >
>
> How can the app set the entropy?
It can't, it is assumed that the HW is configured ether hardcoded or by using
other means
with the algorithm. The application doesn't know and doesn't care about what is
the calculation
only about the result.
>
> > >
> > >
> > > > When the application receives packets that should have been
> > > > encaped by the HW, but didn't reach this stage yet (for example TCP SYN
> > > packets),
> > > > then when encap is done in SW, application must apply
> > > > the same entropy calculation algorithm.
> > > >> Using the new API application can request the PMD to calculate the
> > > > value as if the packet passed in the HW.
> > > >
> > >
> > > So is this new API a datapath API? Is the intention that application
> > > call this API per packet that is missing 'entropy' information?
> >
> > The application will call this API when it gets a packet that it knows,
> > that the
> rest
> > of the
> > packets from this connection will be offloaded and encaped by the HW.
> > (see above explanation)
> >
> > >
> > > > Signed-off-by: Ori Kam <or...@nvidia.com>
> > > > ---
> > > > lib/ethdev/rte_flow.h | 49
> > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > > 1 file changed, 49 insertions(+)
> > > >
> > > > diff --git a/lib/ethdev/rte_flow.h b/lib/ethdev/rte_flow.h
> > > > index affdc8121b..3989b089dd 100644
> > > > --- a/lib/ethdev/rte_flow.h
> > > > +++ b/lib/ethdev/rte_flow.h
> > > > @@ -6753,6 +6753,55 @@ rte_flow_calc_table_hash(uint16_t port_id,
> const
> > > struct rte_flow_template_table
> > > > const struct rte_flow_item pattern[], uint8_t
> > > pattern_template_index,
> > > > uint32_t *hash, struct rte_flow_error *error);
> > > >
> > > > +/**
> > > > + * @warning
> > > > + * @b EXPERIMENTAL: this API may change without prior notice.
> > > > + *
> > > > + * Destination field type for the entropy calculation.
> > > > + *
> > > > + * @see function rte_flow_calc_encap_entropy
> > > > + */
> > > > +enum rte_flow_entropy_dest {
> > > > + /* Calculate entropy placed in UDP source port field. */
> > > > + RTE_FLOW_ENTROPY_DEST_UDP_SRC_PORT,
> > > > + /* Calculate entropy placed in NVGRE flow ID field. */
> > > > + RTE_FLOW_ENTROPY_DEST_NVGRE_FLOW_ID,
> > > > +};
> > > > +
> > > > +/**
> > > > + * @warning
> > > > + * @b EXPERIMENTAL: this API may change without prior notice.
> > > > + *
> > > > + * Calculate the entropy generated by the HW for a given pattern,
> > > > + * when encapsulation flow action is executed.
> > > > + *
> > > > + * @param[in] port_id
> > > > + * Port identifier of Ethernet device.
> > > > + * @param[in] pattern
> > > > + * The values to be used in the entropy calculation.
> > > > + * @param[in] dest_field
> > > > + * Type of destination field for entropy calculation.
> > > > + * @param[out] entropy
> > > > + * Used to return the calculated entropy. It will be written in
> > > > network
> order,
> > > > + * so entropy[0] is the MSB.
> > > > + * The number of bytes is based on the destination field type.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Is the size same as field size in the 'dest_field'?
> > > Like for 'RTE_FLOW_ENTROPY_DEST_UDP_SRC_PORT' is it two bytes?
> >
> > Yes,
> > >
> > >
> > > > + * @param[out] error
> > > > + * Perform verbose error reporting if not NULL.
> > > > + * PMDs initialize this structure in case of error only.
> > > > + *
> > > > + * @return
> > > > + * - (0) if success.
> > > > + * - (-ENODEV) if *port_id* invalid.
> > > > + * - (-ENOTSUP) if underlying device does not support this
> > > > functionality.
> > > > + * - (-EINVAL) if *pattern* doesn't hold enough information to
> > > > calculate
> the
> > > entropy
> > > > + * or the dest is not supported.
> > > > + */
> > > > +__rte_experimental
> > > > +int
> > > > +rte_flow_calc_encap_entropy(uint16_t port_id, const struct
> rte_flow_item
> > > pattern[],
> > > > + enum rte_flow_entropy_dest dest_field,
> > > > uint8_t
> > > *entropy,
> > > > + struct rte_flow_error *error);
> > > > +
> > > > #ifdef __cplusplus
> > > > }
> > > > #endif
>
> Thanks,
> Cristian
