On (11/08/23 16:40), Thomas Monjalon wrote:
> Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2023 16:40:07 +0100
> From: Thomas Monjalon <tho...@monjalon.net>
> To: rahul gupta <rahulrgupt...@gmail.com>, Dmitry Kozlyuk
> <dmitry.kozl...@gmail.com>
> Cc: Stephen Hemminger <step...@networkplumber.org>, Rahul Gupta
> <rahulg...@linux.microsoft.com>, dev@dpdk.org,
> sovar...@linux.microsoft.com, ok...@kernel.org,
> sujithsan...@microsoft.com, sowmini.varad...@microsoft.com, Rahul Gupta
> <rahulg...@microsoft.com>
> Subject: Re: [RFC] eal: RFC to refactor rte_eal_init into sub-functions
>
> 08/11/2023 14:53, Dmitry Kozlyuk:
> > 2023-11-07 23:03 (UTC+0530), rahul gupta:
> > > > > From: Rahul Gupta <rahulg...@linux.microsoft.com>
> > > > > To: dev@dpdk.org, tho...@monjalon.net
> > > > > Cc: sovar...@linux.microsoft.com, ok...@kernel.org,
> > > > sujithsan...@microsoft.com, sowmini.varad...@microsoft.com,
> > > > rahulrgupt...@gmail.com, Rahul Gupta <rahulg...@microsoft.com>, Rahul
> > > > Gupta <rahulg...@linux.microsoft.com>
> > > > > Subject: [RFC] eal: RFC to refactor rte_eal_init into sub-functions
> > > > > Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2023 11:19:24 -0700
> > > > > X-Mailer: git-send-email 1.8.3.1
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Rahul Gupta <rahulg...@microsoft.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > Initialization often requires rte_eal_init + rte_pktmbuf_pool_create
> > > > > which can consume a total time of 500-600 ms:
> > > > > a) For many devices FLR may take a significant chunk of time
> > > > > (200-250 ms in our use-case), this FLR is triggered during device
> > > > > probe in rte_eal_init().
> > > > > b) rte_pktmbuf_pool_create() can consume upto 300-350 ms for
> > > > > applications that require huge memory.
> > > > >
> > > > > This cost is incurred on each restart (which happens in our use-case
> > > > > during binary updates for servicing).
> > > > > This patch provides an optimization using pthreads that appplications
> > > > > can use and which can save 200-230ms.
> > > > >
> > > > > In this patch, rte_eal_init() is refactored into two parts-
> > > > > a) 1st part is dependent code ie- it’s a perquisite of the FLR and
> > > > > mempool creation. So this code needs to be executed before any
> > > > > pthreads. Its named as rte_eal_init_setup()
> > > > > b) 2nd part of code is independent code ie- it can execute in parallel
> > > > > to mempool creation in a pthread. Its named as
> > > > > rte_probe_and_ioctl().
> > > > >
> > > > > Existing applications require no changes unless they wish to leverage
> > > > > the optimization.
> > > > >
> > > > > If the application wants to use pthread functionality, it should call-
> > > > > a) rte_eal_init_setup() then create two or more pthreads-
> > > > > b) in one pthread call- rte_probe_and_ioctl(),
> > > > > c) second pthread call- rte_pktmbuf_pool_create()
> > > > > d) (optional) Other pthreads for any other independent function.
> > > > >
> > > > > Signed-off-by: Rahul Gupta <rahulg...@linux.microsoft.com>
> >
> > I doubt that the new API is required.
> > It is already possible to block all devices from automatic probing
> > with EAL options and then probe explicitly in any threads desired.
> > At the same time, this RFC shows a valuable optimization pattern,
> > so maybe it is worth having in DPDK as an example.
> > There are DPDK use cases when probing is completely unnecessary.
>
> It seems here we want to do the device probing,
> but start it in parallel of other tasks.
>
> > Exposing the initialization process stages makes it harder to refactor
> > and requires precise documentation of when and what is initialized
> > (for example, in this RFC rte_eal_init_setup()
> > does not make service core API usable yet).
>
> Yes the init order is sensitive, that's why we have a big init function.
> But in general I would agree to try splitting it with necessary warnings
> and explanations.
>
> > P. S. You may be also interested in using `--huge-unlink=never`
> > to speed rte_pktmbuf_pool_create() during restarts:
> >
> > https://doc.dpdk.org/guides/linux_gsg/linux_eal_parameters.html#id3
>
> Yes good tip :)
>
>
Thank you for the comments. I will send a patch shortly.
eal_init_async(); //Internally forks a thread to do FLR.
/* Application can do other stuff, including mempool_create, possibly in
multiple threads. If threads are forked, then application has to do any
needed thread-joins */
eal_init_async_done(); //To sync with FLR thread.
