On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 02:11:29PM +0200, Morten Brørup wrote:
> > From: Olivier Matz [mailto:olivier.m...@6wind.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, 27 October 2022 13.43
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 11:22:07AM +0200, Morten Brørup wrote:
> > > > From: Olivier Matz [mailto:olivier.m...@6wind.com]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, 27 October 2022 10.35
> > > >
> > > > Hi Morten,
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 04:44:36PM +0200, Morten Brørup wrote:
> > > > > Add __rte_cache_aligned to the objs array.
> > > > >
> > > > > It makes no difference in the general case, but if get/put
> > operations
> > > > are
> > > > > always 32 objects, it will reduce the number of memory (or last
> > level
> > > > > cache) accesses from five to four 64 B cache lines for every
> > get/put
> > > > > operation.
> > > > >
> > > > > For readability reasons, an example using 16 objects follows:
> > > > >
> > > > > Currently, with 16 objects (128B), we access to 3
> > > > > cache lines:
> > > > >
> > > > > ┌────────┐
> > > > > │len │
> > > > > cache │********│---
> > > > > line0 │********│ ^
> > > > > │********│ |
> > > > > ├────────┤ | 16 objects
> > > > > │********│ | 128B
> > > > > cache │********│ |
> > > > > line1 │********│ |
> > > > > │********│ |
> > > > > ├────────┤ |
> > > > > │********│_v_
> > > > > cache │ │
> > > > > line2 │ │
> > > > > │ │
> > > > > └────────┘
> > > > >
> > > > > With the alignment, it is also 3 cache lines:
> > > > >
> > > > > ┌────────┐
> > > > > │len │
> > > > > cache │ │
> > > > > line0 │ │
> > > > > │ │
> > > > > ├────────┤---
> > > > > │********│ ^
> > > > > cache │********│ |
> > > > > line1 │********│ |
> > > > > │********│ |
> > > > > ├────────┤ | 16 objects
> > > > > │********│ | 128B
> > > > > cache │********│ |
> > > > > line2 │********│ |
> > > > > │********│ v
> > > > > └────────┘---
> > > > >
> > > > > However, accessing the objects at the bottom of the mempool cache
> > is
> > > > a
> > > > > special case, where cache line0 is also used for objects.
> > > > >
> > > > > Consider the next burst (and any following bursts):
> > > > >
> > > > > Current:
> > > > > ┌────────┐
> > > > > │len │
> > > > > cache │ │
> > > > > line0 │ │
> > > > > │ │
> > > > > ├────────┤
> > > > > │ │
> > > > > cache │ │
> > > > > line1 │ │
> > > > > │ │
> > > > > ├────────┤
> > > > > │ │
> > > > > cache │********│---
> > > > > line2 │********│ ^
> > > > > │********│ |
> > > > > ├────────┤ | 16 objects
> > > > > │********│ | 128B
> > > > > cache │********│ |
> > > > > line3 │********│ |
> > > > > │********│ |
> > > > > ├────────┤ |
> > > > > │********│_v_
> > > > > cache │ │
> > > > > line4 │ │
> > > > > │ │
> > > > > └────────┘
> > > > > 4 cache lines touched, incl. line0 for len.
> > > > >
> > > > > With the proposed alignment:
> > > > > ┌────────┐
> > > > > │len │
> > > > > cache │ │
> > > > > line0 │ │
> > > > > │ │
> > > > > ├────────┤
> > > > > │ │
> > > > > cache │ │
> > > > > line1 │ │
> > > > > │ │
> > > > > ├────────┤
> > > > > │ │
> > > > > cache │ │
> > > > > line2 │ │
> > > > > │ │
> > > > > ├────────┤
> > > > > │********│---
> > > > > cache │********│ ^
> > > > > line3 │********│ |
> > > > > │********│ | 16 objects
> > > > > ├────────┤ | 128B
> > > > > │********│ |
> > > > > cache │********│ |
> > > > > line4 │********│ |
> > > > > │********│_v_
> > > > > └────────┘
> > > > > Only 3 cache lines touched, incl. line0 for len.
> > > >
> > > > I understand your logic, but are we sure that having an application
> > > > that
> > > > works with bulks of 32 means that the cache will stay aligned to 32
> > > > elements for the whole life of the application?
> > > >
> > > > In an application, the alignment of the cache can change if you
> > have
> > > > any of:
> > > > - software queues (reassembly for instance)
> > > > - packet duplication (bridge, multicast)
> > > > - locally generated packets (keepalive, control protocol)
> > > > - pipeline to other cores
> > > >
> > > > Even with testpmd, which work by bulk of 32, I can see that the
> > size
> > > > of the cache filling is not aligned to 32. Right after starting the
> > > > application, we already have this:
> > > >
> > > > internal cache infos:
> > > > cache_size=250
> > > > cache_count[0]=231
> > > >
> > > > This is probably related to the hw rx rings size, number of queues,
> > > > number of ports.
> > > >
> > > > The "250" default value for cache size in testpmd is questionable,
> > but
> > > > with --mbcache=256, the behavior is similar.
> > > >
> > > > Also, when we transmit to a NIC, the mbufs are not returned
> > immediatly
> > > > to the pool, they may stay in the hw tx ring during some time,
> > which is
> > > > a driver decision.
> > > >
> > > > After processing traffic on cores 8 and 24 with this testpmd, I
> > get:
> > > > cache_count[0]=231
> > > > cache_count[8]=123
> > > > cache_count[24]=122
> > > >
> > > > In my opinion, it is not realistic to think that the mempool cache
> > will
> > > > remain aligned to cachelines. In these conditions, it looks better
> > to
> > > > keep the structure packed to avoid wasting memory.
> > >
> > > I agree that is a special use case to only access the mempool cache
> > in
> > > bursts of 32 objects, so the accesses are always cache line
> > > aligned. (Generalized, the burst size must not be 32; a burst size
> > > that is a multiple of RTE_CACHE_LINE_SIZE/sizeof(void*), i.e. a burst
> > > size of 8 on a 64-bit architecture, will do.)
> >
> > Is there a real situation where it happens to always have read/write
> > accesses per bulks of 32? From what I see in my quick test, it is not
> > the case, even with testpmd.
> >
> > > Adding a hole of 52 byte per mempool cache is nothing, considering
> > > that the mempool cache already uses 8 KB (RTE_MEMPOOL_CACHE_MAX_SIZE
> > *
> > > 2 * sizeof(void*) = 1024 * 8 byte) for the objects.
> > >
> > > Also - assuming that memory allocations are cache line aligned - the
> > > 52 byte of unused memory cannot be used regardless if they are before
> > > or after the objects. Instead of having 52 B unused after the
> > objects,
> > > we might as well have a hole of 52 B unused before the objects. In
> > > other words: There is really no downside to this.
> >
> > Correct, the memory waste argument to nack the patch is invalid.
> >
> > > Jerin also presented a separate argument for moving the objects to
> > > another cache line than the len field: The risk for "load-after-store
> > > stall" when loading the len field after storing objects in cache
> > line0
> > > [1].
> > >
> > > [1]: http://inbox.dpdk.org/dev/CALBAE1P4zFYdLwoQukn5Q-V-
> > ntvc_ubwmwjhav2uvbxqryt...@mail.gmail.com/
> >
> > I'll be prudent on this justification without numbers. The case where
> > we
> > access to the objects of the first cache line (among several KB) is
> > maybe not that frequent.
> >
> > > A new idea just popped into my head: The hot debug statistics
> > > counters (put_bulk, put_objs, get_success_bulk, get_success_objs)
> > > could be moved to this free space, reducing the need to touch another
> > > cache line for debug counters. I haven’t thought this idea through
> > > yet; it might conflict with Jerin's comment.
> >
> > Yes, but since the stats are only enabled when RTE_LIBRTE_MEMPOOL_DEBUG
> > is set, it won't have any impact on non-debug builds.
>
> Correct, but I do expect that it would reduce the performance cost of using
> RTE_LIBRTE_MEMPOOL_DEBUG. I'll provide such a patch shortly.
>
> >
> >
> > Honnestly, I find it hard to convince myself that it is a real
> > optimization. I don't see any reason why it would be slower though. So
> > since we already broke the mempool cache struct ABI in a previous
> > commit, and since it won't consume more memory, I'm ok to include that
> > patch.
>
> I don't know if there are any such applications now, and you are probably
> right that there are not. But this patch opens a road towards it.
>
> Acked-by ?
Acked-by: Olivier Matz <olivier.m...@6wind.com>
Thanks Morten
>
> > It would be great to have numbers to put some weight in the
> > balance.
>
> Yes, it would also be great if drivers didn't copy-paste code from the
> mempool library, so the performance effect of modifications in the mempool
> library would be reflected in such tests.
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Olivier
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Credits go to Olivier Matz for the nice ASCII graphics.
> > > > >
> > > > > Signed-off-by: Morten Brørup <m...@smartsharesystems.com>
> > > > > ---
> > > > > lib/mempool/rte_mempool.h | 6 ++++--
> > > > > 1 file changed, 4 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> > > > >
> > > > > diff --git a/lib/mempool/rte_mempool.h
> > b/lib/mempool/rte_mempool.h
> > > > > index 1f5707f46a..3725a72951 100644
> > > > > --- a/lib/mempool/rte_mempool.h
> > > > > +++ b/lib/mempool/rte_mempool.h
> > > > > @@ -86,11 +86,13 @@ struct rte_mempool_cache {
> > > > > uint32_t size; /**< Size of the cache */
> > > > > uint32_t flushthresh; /**< Threshold before we flush excess
> > > > elements */
> > > > > uint32_t len; /**< Current cache count */
> > > > > - /*
> > > > > + /**
> > > > > + * Cache objects
> > > > > + *
> > > > > * Cache is allocated to this size to allow it to overflow
> > in
> > > > certain
> > > > > * cases to avoid needless emptying of cache.
> > > > > */
> > > > > - void *objs[RTE_MEMPOOL_CACHE_MAX_SIZE * 2]; /**< Cache
> > objects */
> > > > > + void *objs[RTE_MEMPOOL_CACHE_MAX_SIZE * 2]
> > __rte_cache_aligned;
> > > > > } __rte_cache_aligned;
> > > > >
> > > > > /**
> > > > > --
> > > > > 2.17.1
> > > > >
> > >
>
