On Wed, 2021-08-11 at 12:59 +0000, Xueming(Steven) Li wrote:
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ferruh Yigit <ferruh.yi...@intel.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 8:04 PM
> > To: Xueming(Steven) Li <xuemi...@nvidia.com>; Jerin Jacob 
> > <jerinjac...@gmail.com>
> > Cc: dpdk-dev <dev@dpdk.org>; NBU-Contact-Thomas Monjalon 
> > <tho...@monjalon.net>; Andrew Rybchenko
> > <andrew.rybche...@oktetlabs.ru>
> > Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v1] ethdev: introduce shared Rx queue
> > 
> > On 8/11/2021 9:28 AM, Xueming(Steven) Li wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jerin Jacob <jerinjac...@gmail.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 4:03 PM
> > > > To: Xueming(Steven) Li <xuemi...@nvidia.com>
> > > > Cc: dpdk-dev <dev@dpdk.org>; Ferruh Yigit <ferruh.yi...@intel.com>;
> > > > NBU-Contact-Thomas Monjalon <tho...@monjalon.net>; Andrew Rybchenko
> > > > <andrew.rybche...@oktetlabs.ru>
> > > > Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v1] ethdev: introduce shared Rx queue
> > > > 
> > > > On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 7:46 PM Xueming(Steven) Li <xuemi...@nvidia.com> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > 
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Jerin Jacob <jerinjac...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, August 9, 2021 9:51 PM
> > > > > > To: Xueming(Steven) Li <xuemi...@nvidia.com>
> > > > > > Cc: dpdk-dev <dev@dpdk.org>; Ferruh Yigit <ferruh.yi...@intel.com>;
> > > > > > NBU-Contact-Thomas Monjalon <tho...@monjalon.net>; Andrew Rybchenko
> > > > > > <andrew.rybche...@oktetlabs.ru>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v1] ethdev: introduce shared Rx
> > > > > > queue
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 5:18 PM Xueming Li <xuemi...@nvidia.com> 
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > In current DPDK framework, each RX queue is pre-loaded with mbufs
> > > > > > > for incoming packets. When number of representors scale out in a
> > > > > > > switch domain, the memory consumption became significant. Most
> > > > > > > important, polling all ports leads to high cache miss, high
> > > > > > > latency and low throughput.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > This patch introduces shared RX queue. Ports with same
> > > > > > > configuration in a switch domain could share RX queue set by 
> > > > > > > specifying sharing group.
> > > > > > > Polling any queue using same shared RX queue receives packets from
> > > > > > > all member ports. Source port is identified by mbuf->port.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Port queue number in a shared group should be identical. Queue
> > > > > > > index is
> > > > > > > 1:1 mapped in shared group.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Share RX queue is supposed to be polled on same thread.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Multiple groups is supported by group ID.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Is this offload specific to the representor? If so can this name be 
> > > > > > changed specifically to representor?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Yes, PF and representor in switch domain could take advantage.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > If it is for a generic case, how the flow ordering will be 
> > > > > > maintained?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Not quite sure that I understood your question. The control path of
> > > > > is almost same as before, PF and representor port still needed, rte 
> > > > > flows not impacted.
> > > > > Queues still needed for each member port, descriptors(mbuf) will be
> > > > > supplied from shared Rx queue in my PMD implementation.
> > > > 
> > > > My question was if create a generic RTE_ETH_RX_OFFLOAD_SHARED_RXQ
> > > > offload, multiple ethdev receive queues land into the same receive 
> > > > queue, In that case, how the flow order is maintained for
> > respective receive queues.
> > > 
> > > I guess the question is testpmd forward stream? The forwarding logic has 
> > > to be changed slightly in case of shared rxq.
> > > basically for each packet in rx_burst result, lookup source stream 
> > > according to mbuf->port, forwarding to target fs.
> > > Packets from same source port could be grouped as a small burst to
> > > process, this will accelerates the performance if traffic come from
> > > limited ports. I'll introduce some common api to do shard rxq forwarding, 
> > > call it with packets handling callback, so it suites for all
> > forwarding engine. Will sent patches soon.
> > > 
> > 
> > All ports will put the packets in to the same queue (share queue), right? 
> > Does this means only single core will poll only, what will
> > happen if there are multiple cores polling, won't it cause problem?
> 
> This has been mentioned in commit log, the shared rxq is supposed to be 
> polling in single thread(core) - I think it should be "MUST".
> Result is unexpected if there are multiple cores pooling, that's why I added 
> a polling schedule check in testpmd.
> Similar for rx/tx burst function, a queue can't be polled on multiple 
> thread(core), and for performance concern, no such check in eal api.
> 
> If users want to utilize multiple cores to distribute workloads, it's 
> possible to define more groups, queues in different group could be
> could be polled on multiple cores.
> 
> It's possible to poll every member port in group, but not necessary, any port 
> in group could be polled to get packets for all ports in group.
> 
> If the member port subject to hot plug/remove,  it's possible to create a 
> vdev with same queue number, copy rxq object and poll vdev
> as a dedicate proxy for the group.
> 
> > 
> > And if this requires specific changes in the application, I am not sure 
> > about the solution, can't this work in a transparent way to the
> > application?
> 
> Yes, we considered different options in design stage. One possible solution 
> is to cache received packets in rings, this can be done on
> eth layer, but I'm afraid less benefits, user still has to be a ware of 
> multiple core polling. 
> This can be done as a wrapper PMD later, more efforts.

For people want to use shared rxq to save memory, they need to be
conscious on the core polling rule: dedicate core for shared rxq, like
the rule for rxq and txq.

I'm afraid specific changes in application is a must, but not too much:
polling one port per group is sufficient. Protections in data plane
will definitely hurt performance :(

> 
> > 
> > Overall, is this for optimizing memory for the port represontors? If so 
> > can't we have a port representor specific solution, reducing
> > scope can reduce the complexity it brings?
> 
> This feature supports both PF and representor, and yes, major issue is memory 
> of representors. Poll all representors also 
> introduces more core cache miss latency. This feature essentially aggregates 
> all ports in group as one port.
> On the other hand, it's useful for rte flow to create offloading flows using 
> representor as a regular port ID.
> 
As discussion with Jerin below, the major memory consumed by PF or
representor is mbufs pre-filled to rxq. PMD can't assume all
representors shares same memory pool, or share rxqs internally in PMD -
user might schedule representors to different cores. Defining shared
rxq flag and group looks a good direction.

> It's great if any new solution/suggestion, my head buried in PMD code :)
> 
> > 
> > > > If this offload is only useful for representor case, Can we make this
> > > > offload specific to representor the case by changing its name and scope.
> > > 
> > > It works for both PF and representors in same switch domain, for 
> > > application like OVS, few changes to apply.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Xueming Li <xuemi...@nvidia.com>
> > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > >  doc/guides/nics/features.rst                    | 11 +++++++++++
> > > > > > >  doc/guides/nics/features/default.ini            |  1 +
> > > > > > >  doc/guides/prog_guide/switch_representation.rst | 10 ++++++++++
> > > > > > >  lib/ethdev/rte_ethdev.c                         |  1 +
> > > > > > >  lib/ethdev/rte_ethdev.h                         |  7 +++++++
> > > > > > >  5 files changed, 30 insertions(+)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > diff --git a/doc/guides/nics/features.rst
> > > > > > > b/doc/guides/nics/features.rst index a96e12d155..2e2a9b1554 100644
> > > > > > > --- a/doc/guides/nics/features.rst
> > > > > > > +++ b/doc/guides/nics/features.rst
> > > > > > > @@ -624,6 +624,17 @@ Supports inner packet L4 checksum.
> > > > > > >    
> > > > > > > ``tx_offload_capa,tx_queue_offload_capa:DEV_TX_OFFLOAD_OUTER_UDP_CKSUM``.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > +.. _nic_features_shared_rx_queue:
> > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > +Shared Rx queue
> > > > > > > +---------------
> > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > +Supports shared Rx queue for ports in same switch domain.
> > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > +* **[uses]     rte_eth_rxconf,rte_eth_rxmode**: 
> > > > > > > ``offloads:RTE_ETH_RX_OFFLOAD_SHARED_RXQ``.
> > > > > > > +* **[provides] mbuf**: ``mbuf.port``.
> > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > +
> > > > > > >  .. _nic_features_packet_type_parsing:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >  Packet type parsing
> > > > > > > diff --git a/doc/guides/nics/features/default.ini
> > > > > > > b/doc/guides/nics/features/default.ini
> > > > > > > index 754184ddd4..ebeb4c1851 100644
> > > > > > > --- a/doc/guides/nics/features/default.ini
> > > > > > > +++ b/doc/guides/nics/features/default.ini
> > > > > > > @@ -19,6 +19,7 @@ Free Tx mbuf on demand =
> > > > > > >  Queue start/stop     =
> > > > > > >  Runtime Rx queue setup =
> > > > > > >  Runtime Tx queue setup =
> > > > > > > +Shared Rx queue      =
> > > > > > >  Burst mode info      =
> > > > > > >  Power mgmt address monitor =
> > > > > > >  MTU update           =
> > > > > > > diff --git a/doc/guides/prog_guide/switch_representation.rst
> > > > > > > b/doc/guides/prog_guide/switch_representation.rst
> > > > > > > index ff6aa91c80..45bf5a3a10 100644
> > > > > > > --- a/doc/guides/prog_guide/switch_representation.rst
> > > > > > > +++ b/doc/guides/prog_guide/switch_representation.rst
> > > > > > > @@ -123,6 +123,16 @@ thought as a software "patch panel" 
> > > > > > > front-end for applications.
> > > > > > >  .. [1] `Ethernet switch device driver model (switchdev)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > <https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/networking/switchdev.txt
> > > > > > > > `_
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > +- Memory usage of representors is huge when number of representor
> > > > > > > +grows,
> > > > > > > +  because PMD always allocate mbuf for each descriptor of Rx 
> > > > > > > queue.
> > > > > > > +  Polling the large number of ports brings more CPU load, cache
> > > > > > > +miss and
> > > > > > > +  latency. Shared Rx queue can be used to share Rx queue between
> > > > > > > +PF and
> > > > > > > +  representors in same switch domain.
> > > > > > > +``RTE_ETH_RX_OFFLOAD_SHARED_RXQ``
> > > > > > > +  is present in Rx offloading capability of device info. Setting
> > > > > > > +the
> > > > > > > +  offloading flag in device Rx mode or Rx queue configuration to
> > > > > > > +enable
> > > > > > > +  shared Rx queue. Polling any member port of shared Rx queue can
> > > > > > > +return
> > > > > > > +  packets of all ports in group, port ID is saved in 
> > > > > > > ``mbuf.port``.
> > > > > > > +
> > > > > > >  Basic SR-IOV
> > > > > > >  ------------
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > diff --git a/lib/ethdev/rte_ethdev.c b/lib/ethdev/rte_ethdev.c
> > > > > > > index 9d95cd11e1..1361ff759a 100644
> > > > > > > --- a/lib/ethdev/rte_ethdev.c
> > > > > > > +++ b/lib/ethdev/rte_ethdev.c
> > > > > > > @@ -127,6 +127,7 @@ static const struct {
> > > > > > >         RTE_RX_OFFLOAD_BIT2STR(OUTER_UDP_CKSUM),
> > > > > > >         RTE_RX_OFFLOAD_BIT2STR(RSS_HASH),
> > > > > > >         RTE_ETH_RX_OFFLOAD_BIT2STR(BUFFER_SPLIT),
> > > > > > > +       RTE_ETH_RX_OFFLOAD_BIT2STR(SHARED_RXQ),
> > > > > > >  };
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >  #undef RTE_RX_OFFLOAD_BIT2STR
> > > > > > > diff --git a/lib/ethdev/rte_ethdev.h b/lib/ethdev/rte_ethdev.h
> > > > > > > index d2b27c351f..a578c9db9d 100644
> > > > > > > --- a/lib/ethdev/rte_ethdev.h
> > > > > > > +++ b/lib/ethdev/rte_ethdev.h
> > > > > > > @@ -1047,6 +1047,7 @@ struct rte_eth_rxconf {
> > > > > > >         uint8_t rx_drop_en; /**< Drop packets if no descriptors 
> > > > > > > are available. */
> > > > > > >         uint8_t rx_deferred_start; /**< Do not start queue with 
> > > > > > > rte_eth_dev_start(). */
> > > > > > >         uint16_t rx_nseg; /**< Number of descriptions in rx_seg 
> > > > > > > array.
> > > > > > > */
> > > > > > > +       uint32_t shared_group; /**< Shared port group index in
> > > > > > > + switch domain. */
> > > > > > >         /**
> > > > > > >          * Per-queue Rx offloads to be set using DEV_RX_OFFLOAD_* 
> > > > > > > flags.
> > > > > > >          * Only offloads set on rx_queue_offload_capa or
> > > > > > > rx_offload_capa @@ -1373,6 +1374,12 @@ struct rte_eth_conf {
> > > > > > > #define DEV_RX_OFFLOAD_OUTER_UDP_CKSUM  0x00040000
> > > > > > >  #define DEV_RX_OFFLOAD_RSS_HASH                0x00080000
> > > > > > >  #define RTE_ETH_RX_OFFLOAD_BUFFER_SPLIT 0x00100000
> > > > > > > +/**
> > > > > > > + * Rx queue is shared among ports in same switch domain to save
> > > > > > > +memory,
> > > > > > > + * avoid polling each port. Any port in group can be used to 
> > > > > > > receive packets.
> > > > > > > + * Real source port number saved in mbuf->port field.
> > > > > > > + */
> > > > > > > +#define RTE_ETH_RX_OFFLOAD_SHARED_RXQ   0x00200000
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >  #define DEV_RX_OFFLOAD_CHECKSUM (DEV_RX_OFFLOAD_IPV4_CKSUM | \
> > > > > > >                                  DEV_RX_OFFLOAD_UDP_CKSUM | \
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > 2.25.1
> > > > > > > 
> 

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