Jeff, I do not want you to send me any more emails off list, under any circumstances. If you have a problem with any email I send, send it directly to the dev list. If others agree with you, I'll go along with it, and apologize, as I did earlier today. If others disagree with you, OK, then maybe you are going overboard. That's it! There's no reason to go off list.

I just don't want to receive off-the-list emails from you.  Period.

Glen


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [offlist again and no, onlist is not fine!] Re: [onlist is fine!] Re: [offlist] Re: SOAP over JMS and CXF.
Date:   Sat, 26 Feb 2011 04:11:50 +0100
From:   Jeff Genender <jgenen...@apache.org>
To:     Glen Mazza <gma...@talend.com>
CC:     Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>



Hi Glen!

You are right, I didn't have to go off list.  I sent you the private email out 
of respect to you.  But that clearly was all for naught - what an idiot I am, 
eh? ;-)  I guess I really didn't need to be too concerned about you getting 
your dirty laundry aired in the public as you did a fine job of doing that 
yourself.  What you fail to realize is that Google has a way of not forgetting 
certain things... and unfortunately it will be to your detriment and loss.  
But, no worries, you did this by your own accord and I can at least look in the 
mirror knowing that I at least tried to do the right thing ;-)

Additionally, I also try to make it a point not to post private emails w/o all 
parties' permission (thats kind of an unwritten law at Apache as well as 
personal respect), but I am also careful to be sure that what I do say 
privately is nothing that will reflect on me or come back to bite me in the 
culo... I'm sure you remember the Wikileaks debacle ;-)

Unfortunately, your "overstepping" has occurred more than just today, Glen, and 
you need to get your respect for the community in check and watch what you write [2].  
You have been called out a couple of times by the PMC chair which is a red flag that you 
are acting out of sorts.  I don't know what is going on in your personal life, but you 
need to keep your issues from damaging the CXF community.

So I am personally asking you as a CXF community member to please check 
yourself and if you need to have a tantrum, bring it offlist or into the PMC or 
maybe to your employer and we can take care of it there.  Your out-lashing and 
disrespect for others is not appropriate behavior and it hurts our community.  
Lets move along, shall we?

Jeff

[2] 
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/cxf-dev/201102.mbox/%3c4d4a2a9c.70...@talend.com%3e

On Feb 25, 2011, at 6:53 PM, Glen Mazza wrote:

 You don't have to go off-list for this, Jeff.  Besides my emails[1] aren't 
that bad, hardly trolling.  There was no malice in what I had written (for I 
have a significant amount of respect for Bill), it was just meant as a playful 
kick back at Bill at 8:01am this morning at what I misperceived as a snarky dig 
at CXF (and as Bill later showed, he was more than able to kick back in 
return).  We all overstep slightly now and then, this is the dev list.

 Glen

 [1]  
http://cxf.547215.n5.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=user_nodes&user=148307

 On 2/25/2011 11:51 AM, Jeff Genender wrote:
 Glenn,

 Whats up with the trolling on the lists?  You have been rubbing folks the 
wrong way and taking shots at people and its getting rather disheartening. 
Glenn, my personal statement to you is a request to stop the pot shots as it 
makes this project look ghetto.  I'm CCing Dan since he is the PMC chair as I 
think he needs to keep an eye on this.

 Also, I recommend that you get yourself a gmail email address because taking 
shots on the list with a talend.com address doesn't give your company good 
credence as a representative.

 Please chill out and breathe before pushing the send button.  Feel free to hit 
me up on IRC if you need to discuss.

 Thanks,

 Jeff

 On Feb 25, 2011, at 8:01 AM, Glen Mazza wrote:

 Bill, I'm all for plugging but if you could spend some time on fixing
 the five (rather simple) RESTEasy bugs I reported (RESTEAST-494, 495,
 496, 497, and 502) over a month ago, among the 109 you presently have
 open and unresolved, that would also be good. As the Russian Czar
 learned during WWI, it's not good to go too much on the offensive when
 things are rotting out at home.

 Glen

 On 2/25/2011 8:47 AM, Bill Burke wrote:
 That's great but what if your client isn't Java?  Download a SOAP stack
 and pray its compatible with CXF?

 Simple HTTP calls are far superior, more lightweight, and easier to
 code.  Seriously, check out what we've done with the HornetQ REST
 interface.  Specifically the Javascript and Python examples.  You'll see
 that zero library downloads and minimal code is all that is required to
 interface with a fully featured messaging API.

 I'm sorry to plug our stuff here, but, I have to spread the word
 whenever I see somebody interested in HTTP + messaging.

 http://jboss.org/hornetq/rest

 On 2/24/11 8:23 PM, Willem Jiang wrote:
 CXF JMS transport supports JMS URI which is part of JMS over SOAP spec
 out of box. I think you can use it with JAXRS frontend without any
 trouble.

 2011/2/24, robert<rob...@gliesian.com>:
 CXF supports SOAP over JMS; http://www.w3.org/TR/soapjms/.

 Should the bindings and service extensions defined by this spec be
 better suited in a supported WSDL or WADL?

 I assume WADL as supported by CXF?

 Thanks!



-- Glen Mazza
 Software Engineer, Talend (http://www.talend.com)
 blog: http://www.jroller.com/gmazza




-- Glen Mazza
 Software Engineer, Talend (http://www.talend.com)
 blog: http://www.jroller.com/gmazza




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