On 2010-12-08, at 3:33 PM, Andreas Veithen wrote:

> Looks like you made the same mistake that I've seen elsewhere: instead
> of just installing the Web services feature pack on WAS 6.1 (to get
> JAX-WS support) and let the IBM support take care of the issues (after
> all that is what they are payed for), you spent your time trying to
> integrate another SOAP stack and solve the issues yourself. That being
> said, I don't know if the feature pack already existed when you did
> your project, and of course for a contractor that is the more
> interesting option (I would do the same in that position ;-). But OK,
> let's not transform this thread into a discussion about how to deploy
> Web services on WAS...
> 
> Andreas
> 

I might have confused the article with another? I still stand by my statements. 
 I don't want to use "Webservices Pack for WAS".  I want to use "works 
regardless of servlet container and support contract".  So it was not a 
"mistake", I fully intended to avoid the Webservices Pack.

Craig.

> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 21:26, Craig Tataryn <crai...@tataryn.net> wrote:
>> We were using WAS 6.1 and we needed to support HL7 payloads.  Axis wasn't up 
>> to snuff. Then trying to get modern versions of JAXB and XML APIs to work 
>> with WAS wasted soooooo much time and money. It was also a main contributor 
>> to my hair greying at the tender age of 34.
>> 
>> </rant>
>> 
>> Craig.
>> 
>> On 2010-12-08, at 2:15 PM, Dennis Sosnoski wrote:
>> 
>>> On 12/09/2010 08:53 AM, Andreas Veithen wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 14:40, Craig Tataryn <crai...@tataryn.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> That's great, his last article was very helpful at my last contract in 
>>>>> saving me from implementing using "Web Services Pack for WAS" (aka Axis)
>>>>> 
>>>> Interesting statement. Dennis' last articles were all about comparison
>>>> between CXF, Rampart and Metro. However, although IBM uses Axis2 as
>>>> the basis for their JAX-WS support in WAS 7.0 and in the Web services
>>>> feature pack for WAS 6.1, they're not using Rampart at all, but have
>>>> their own WS-Security implementation...
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> I haven't worked with WAS myself, but thought that might be the case.
>>> That's why I qualify my own rankings of the stacks in the latest article
>>> with " Also, the rankings apply only to the base open source projects;
>>> commercial stacks based on the open source versions may use their own
>>> security code and other extensions. You'll need to look at the
>>> differences between the commercial code and the open source base to see
>>> which parts of the rankings may apply."
>>> 
>>> Andreas, why don't you add a comment to the article pointing out that
>>> the rankings don't apply to WAS for this reason?
>>> 
>>>  - Dennis
>> 
>> 

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