I agree, PhoneGap references do not belong in Apache Cordova. I think it's safe to remove website links to: - the PhoneGap Google Groups - the PhoneGap IRC channel
We should update the Cordova website with links to: - StackOverflow Cordova tag - #cordova IRC channel Do not: - do not keep the PhoneGap Google Groups link for old solutions - Google has this indexed for anyone searching. - do not create a users@ mailing list - make it earn it's place; StackOverflow has already done this. Michael On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Andrew Grieve <agri...@chromium.org>wrote: > stay tuned on the ML thread with subject "Hangout Today @ 4:00 EST". I > will post the link there once we're set up. > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Terence M. Bandoian <tere...@tmbsw.com> > wrote: > > One nice thing about a mailing list is that it is delivered. The digest > > form provides an uncluttered, passive means to stay aware of issues and > > contribute when appropriate. > > > > I'm still new to this list but would like to listen in to the hangout if > > that's possible. How would I find it on Google Hangout? > > > > -Terence Bandoian > > > > > > > > On 4/15/2014 9:31 AM, Lisa Seacat DeLuca wrote: > >> > >> Michal +1. > >> > >> 1. Create a user@ group that we use to encourage users to post > questions > >> on SO. > >> 2. Update website to remove reference to PhoneGap Google Group and > include > >> reference to the user@ mailing list > >> 3. remove the IRC #phonegap reference as well > >> > >> Is everyone in agreement on this? Do we need to add an item to our > >> hangout agenda today to discuss further? > >> > >> > >> > >> Lisa Seacat DeLuca > >> Mobile Engineer | t: +415.787.4589 | _ldeluca@apache.org_ > >> <mailto:ldel...@apache.org>| | _ldel...@us.ibm.com_ > >> <mailto:ldel...@us.ibm.com>| _lisaseacat.com_ < > http://www.lisaseacat.com/>| > >> follow @LisaSeacat on twitter <www.twitter.com/LisaSeacat>| follow Lisa > >> Seacat DeLuca on linkedin <http://www.linkedin.com/in/lisaseacat> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> From: Michal Mocny <mmo...@chromium.org> > >> To: dev <dev@cordova.apache.org> > >> Date: 04/15/2014 09:50 AM > >> Subject: Re: support on phonegap/cordova? > >> Sent by: mmo...@google.com > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> So first: we don't *have* have to have users@ list. This isn't about > >> "apache way" at all, this is in response to several user inquiries > asking > >> for a user list to point them to. > >> > >> Seems no one is looking forward to more email, but I'd be satisfied to > >> have > >> a users@ list from which we direct people over to SO, since some people > >> don't yet know about SO and/or expect a mailing list when they go > looking. > >> > >> The most important action item I think is to update the website, since > >> right now we only list the dev, commits, and issues mailing lists > listed, > >> and a small note about the phonegap forum for user questions (and that > was > >> hard to find without grep-ing). > >> > >> -Michal > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Mike Billau <mike.bil...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > I think that between a users@ mailing list, a google group, an IRC > room, > >> > and StackOverflow, the best medium we can use to support our users is > >> > StackOverflow. Joe makes great points about the benefits that > >> > StackOverflow > >> > gives us that I don't see the other mediums providing. Sure the GG may > >> > be > >> > searchable but not nearly as well as SO. Also, there are already a lot > >> > of > >> > Cordova users helping each other out on SO (only 4 of the top 20 > >> > "answerers" are on this list [1]) SO also will automatically switch > >> > "phonegap" to "cordova" tag but still allow things like > "phonegap-build" > >> > or > >> > "phonegap-enterprise" or whatever - nothing against phonegap, this > just > >> > seems to be more inline with the "Apache Way" and would help Adobe > >> > support > >> > find relevant issues to them while letting the the overall community > >> > work > >> > on the more general support questions. > >> > > >> > If we have to have a users@, so be it, but we should make it a point > to > >> > answer all questions there with a link to the relevant Stack Overflow > >> > answer. I think we should also be doing this on the google group too, > >> > but > >> > I'll be the first to admit that I haven't been. > >> > > >> > Finally I know there is a lot of push back about "getting rid of / > >> > encouraging less use of" the google group because a lot of people use > it > >> > and apparently get a lot of their issues fixed, however it seems like > >> > either the majority of the questions never get answered, or they get > >> > answered by a few users. We should maybe reach out to these power > users > >> > and > >> > explain to them the motivation behind trying to move all support off > the > >> > GG > >> > and into SO and encourage them to help with this transition. > >> > > >> > [1] http://stackoverflow.com/tags/cordova/topusers > >> > > >> > > >> > On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Joe Bowser <bows...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > The reasons I prefer stack overflow to users lists are as follows: > >> > > > >> > > 1. Most of our users aren't skilled enough to get on or off of a > users > >> > list > >> > > 2. Stack Overflow's structure keeps things more professional than > the > >> > > mailing list. Personal attacks get downvoted on SO > >> > > 3. Stack Overflow has better searchibility than a users list. > >> > > > >> > > If we have to have one because of the much loathed "Apache Way", so > be > >> > > it, but I don't see it being nearly as helpful as SO. > >> > > > >> > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Andrew Grieve < > agri...@chromium.org> > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > Most Apache projects have a users@ list for this purpose. > Although > >> > > > SO > >> > > often > >> > > > yields better answers, I don't think it would hurt to have a > >> > users@list. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 9:09 AM, Joe Bowser <bows...@gmail.com> > >> > > > wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > >> This is a dev list, not a support list. I would recommend > >> > StackOverflow. > >> > > >> On Apr 9, 2014 3:16 PM, "Andrew Grieve" <agri...@chromium.org> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > StackOverflow works really well as well. If it's a possible but > >> > > >> > in > >> > the > >> > > >> > framework or an Apache plugin though, this is the list :) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 6:21 AM, Ray Camden <rayca...@adobe.com > > > >> > > wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > I'd use the Google Group: > >> > > >> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/phonegap > >> > > >> > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21forum/phonegap> > >> > >> > > >> > > ________________________________________ > >> > > >> > > From: smo <s.la...@gmail.com> > >> > > >> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:35 AM > >> > > >> > > To: dev@cordova.apache.org > >> > > >> > > Subject: support on phonegap/cordova? > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > hi > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > where must i post to get support on phonegap/cordova ios ? > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > thanks > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >
