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On Mon, Feb 17, 2025, 3:51 AM Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> wrote: > Side comment: Is it possible to remove that email that produces a clearly > AI generated nonsense response :) ? It did trigger my answer, but we should > ban it regardless :) > > But - to the point of your proposal Tison. > > I think it's ok for the people who created it to say "I am the original > creator". But I am not sure if that is really something that we should > encourage in a general case. Such encouragement might be seen as something > we expect from our PMCs to do. Which I think we should not. > > It's not doing any harm usually, but I think it's very rare that software > that is donated to ASF is "created" exclusively by a single person - and > singling out that person in the docs, might do a disservice to others who > were involved. Even if they were "managers" who make a decision of allowing > the person to work on the project in their company time, or colleagues who > discussed the initial ideas, reviewed the code and maybe even contributed > in other ways - I would be extremely surprised that you can exclusively > credit single person - even before joining incubation where it's "given". > > So if there is even a slight doubt that the person mentioned was absolutely > most instrumental and is consensually agreed by everyone as "THE original > creator", adding that person as "original creator" might do more harm than > good. > > There are of course cases when you really can identify the single most > impactful leader. And I think it also - in this case - strengthens what > "ASF" values are - where individuals can be very, very impactful and can > "change the world" - so having those cases explained as the "origin story" > is a good idea as long as it is clear it does not create BDFL style of > decision making in the project (so I would rather only put such an > information on a project page when the person is basically an "emeritus" in > the project and not active or at least obviously just "one of many". Very > similar to what happened with Guido van Rossum in Python. > > Case to the point, we do exactly this in Airflow where we mention Maxime as > the original creator, because that's clearly the case that he was the > "mindset" behind it moving the idea from Facebook to AirBnb and leading the > ASF incubation there. [1]. And he is a friend of the project and we invited > him to speak at the Airflow Summit every year, and usually he gets a > shout-out at the opening, but he is no longer actively taking part in > decision making and developing of the project. > > [1] https://airflow.apache.org/docs/apache-airflow/stable/project.html > > J. > > > On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:15 AM Moto g pure XT2163DL < > motogpurex...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I know for a fact you are not the original Creator or curator cuz I > Herbert > > do it the 4th and in fact the one who programmed all the tangents in for > > that line of purpose because I've never worked with another person on any > > of my movies and governments websites connections GPS lines or Internet > if > > you have any comments or questions about this you should check the > location > > of every entered character inside of this formatting bill > > > > On Sun, Feb 16, 2025, 7:22 PM tison <wander4...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > We have seen many threads discussing whether someone self-promotes as > > > "an original creator of Apache Foo" is suitable. > > > > > > Today, when I'm reviewing Curator's website, I found an interesting > > > page [1] that tells the project's history. > > > > > > [1] https://curator.apache.org/community/history > > > > > > It clearly states that Jordan Zimmerman is the original author of the > > > project, which he created while working at Netflix. Later, the project > > > entered the incubator, graduated, and became a top-level project in > > > the ASF. All the history after donating is part of Apache Curator. > > > > > > I would encourage projects to write such a page when they are > > > interested in identifying the original creators. A project's rationale > > > explains its motivation, who creates what, and for what reasons (why). > > > This would be much more valuable content to host. (This is a required > > > section in the incubation proposal.) > > > > > > History can continue if anything significant happens after entering > > > the ASF, but the narrative subject becomes Apache Foo, and we should > > > be fine with those words. > > > > > > Best, > > > tison. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > > > > > > > >
