Sorry, I managed to miss the second half of your email. > On Feb 16, 2024, at 1:12 PM, Dave Fisher <w...@apache.org> wrote: > >> https://github.com/rbowen/comdev-working-groups/blob/main/wg-sharpeners/escallation.md > > It’s spelled “escalation”. In addition you use the term mentors here where > there are already two other roles in the foundation that use this term. >
Spelling fixed. Adjust URL accordingly. > 1. In ComDev someone helping with GSoC is called a mentor. > 2. In the Incubator, Podlings have Mentors. > Is that a problem? Surely mentoring is the *primary* thing that ComDev does. > So, are “sharpeners” meant to be re-mentors? Who decides if a PMC needs > “sharpening”? Everyone needs mentors at different points in their lives. Incubation is a process, with an end point. Projects do not cease needing mentoring once they have graduated from the Incubator. As to who decides, well, this is a volunteer-driven process in a volunteer-driven org, so I’d say it’s entirely voluntary. As discussed in the conversation with Jarek earlier today, I think there are two possible entry points. Either a PMC comes to ask for help, or an individual is interested in a particular project community and shows up to learn about it, and sees places where they could be strengthened. In this latter case, a very useful data point would be reading board reports, and noticing the frequent times that projects indicate that they need a little nudge on some issue or other. > >> >> This is proposed advice around how and when an issue should be escalated. In >> summary, the main advice is, don’t. The secondary advice is, if, and only >> if, a project is *persistently unwilling* to acknowledge or address a >> problem, and even then, only if you’ve got another Sharpener who agrees with >> your assessment, would you *privately* tell the board about your concern, >> and then *drop it.* > > The above should be in the document somehow. I thought I had. Please do feel free to improve my phrasing. > >> I’m sincerely hoping that this kind of explicit process/advice will help to >> avoid the perception which I’m seeing from more than one place that this is >> just a way for people to be policemen in our projects. > > It does help. > > I think that there should be a section that the sharpener’s advice and/or > questions of the PMC should be consolidated into singular well thought out > messages and not several disjoint emails where the threads lose context. PRs welcome, although I’m not entirely sure what you mean here. > >> >> Let me know what y’all think. > > I may provide a PR over the weekend …. Awesome. Thanks.
