On 12/9/2019 8:05 PM, Swapnil M Mane wrote:
-- It will help build and expand communities.
If we have multiple local meetups by different groups,
there will not be a single place where Apache enthusiasts can meet.
Through ALC we can unite them and it will strenghth our community
reach at that local area.
I think that this is just a side-effect of the next points you mention,
so I'm not going to comment on it separately
The real issue here is, an Apache enthusiast (or new individual
interested in Apache)
don't know which are the existing Apache community near them,
whom they can contact and exchange their thoughts/ideas.
So, to make this community searchable, we need to list them somewhere
(like we did at https://s.apache.org/alc-chapters)
This is a valid point, and a real convenience, but it's not an
impossible task. Google is certainly capable of doing a similar job on
whatever local meetup platform(s) might be popular in any region...
Plus, how would people even find out list? If I was looking for a
group, I'd search Google before starting to hunt down a list somewhere
under apache.org anyways. Searching Google for "apache meetup indore"
doesn't bring up the ALC, although it brings up other seemingly relevant
meetups or profiles. Searching for "apache indore" or "apache group
indore" don't bring up anything relevant. "apache community indore" is
a perfect match, but that took a bunch of trial and error on my end to
come up with the search query. Without my preexisting knowledge of
"Apache Local Community - Indore" as a name, I likely wouldn't have
stumbled on it.
That leaves the question is it worth the onus of micro-managing the ALCs
and having all of the criteria needed to get, to use Rich's phrase, our
Official Seal of Approval just to have a single canonical list of
meetups hosted on *.apache.org?
Again, if we don't form these groups officially,
we will be unable to form a single unified group in a town/city.
Thus the ALC approach will unite our scattered strength at one place
in a location.
Why do we need a single unified group? On the contrary, the more the
merrier as long as each group is providing real value to its attendees
(and groups that don't provide real value tend to die on their own so no
need to worry about over-mutiplication of useless groups)
-- In the future, we can set a common goal for our local communities
and execute it.
Like for "e.g." if we decided as a foundation - for the next 3 months
our goal is
to increase the Apache awareness in local universities.
So to execute this goal we can guide our ALCs
to put the focused effort in Universities for the next three months
and I am sure the commulative result of this effort will be amazing.
This is an excellent point, but we can just as easily have a simple page
inviting anyone involved in a local Apache-related user-group to
subscribe to a mailing list (comdev? something new?) and get the word
out that way either with or without allowing discussion on the list. If
I had to flesh that out to a concrete idea, I'd say make some new
announce-style list, while keeping discussion here on comdev where they
belong.
In short, I personally still don't see the value proposition for
formalizing at this point. There is value to what you're suggesting,
but IMHO the process overhead doesn't justify it.
Issac
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