Ross, could you relay this to ComDev? It seems that putting some version of 
your writeup under the community pages would be useful, since this is moving 
from outside of D&I's area and more of a community and policy issue, in 
general. In order to make this easier, I've cc'ed dev@community on this.

Cheers!

On 2019/06/20 07:41:48, Ross Gardler <r...@microsoft.com.INVALID> wrote: 
> "The mission of the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) is to provide software 
> for the public good. We do this by providing services and support for many 
> like-minded software project communities consisting of individuals who choose 
> to participate in ASF activities."> 
> 
> We pay for operational activities in order to provide "services and support 
> for many like-minded software project communities".> 
> 
> We don't pay for software development in our projects because our "software 
> project communities consist of individuals who choose to participate in ASF 
> activities." Paying  people to produce the software is not creating   
> communities of people who choose, but rather (in part)  people paid by us to 
> be present. This can result in the ASF deciding which projects win, rather 
> than the market doing so (as happens when external companies pay for 
> development) . By putting ourselves in a position of influence we can no 
> longer be independent of market forces and thus it becomes very hard to be 
> vendor neutral. A lack of vendor neutrality makes it difficult to "provide 
> software for the public good".> 
> 
> Of course an argument can be made that paying for software development to 
> make our operations more efficient is acceptable. I believe it is. We already 
> do it since infra staff write software for us, regularly. Others are 
> concerned about this being a slippery slope to paying for software more 
> generally.> 
> 
> Ross> 
> 
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> ________________________________> 
> From: Awasum Yannick <aw...@apache.org>> 
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 12:21:01 AM> 
> To: d...@diversity.apache.org> 
> Subject: Why does the ASF not pay for development?> 
> 
> Hi all,> 
> 
> Why does the foundation not pay for development?> 
> 
> Why do they pay for operations?> 
> 
> Why do they pay for accounting?> 
> 
> What argument lead to this core principles?> 
> 
> I want to understand as am new to the Apache way.> 
> 
> I know it might be taking us back or might even be the wrong list. Just> 
> help me understand.> 
> 
> Thanks.> 
> Awasum> 
> 
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