Trust me, I was not offended by your request, more "surprised" and somewhat "so what do you want from us". And maybe I should have dug up http://www.openhub.com that provides these kind of metrics, and I know of one other effort as well, but can't find the link (possibly not public yet).
I am just one peer here, and other people may have other opinion. In no way is my reply a stance of ASF itself, but I think you understand that. Good Luck Niclas On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 11:41 AM, Alfred Webber <atweb...@wimss.com> wrote: > Hi Niclas, > > > > I’m not sure I wanted anyone to jump up and down as If I discovered water > on Mars J. This is not a new concept or idea. I simply haven’t seen it > being published and thought it would be a nice thing. > > > > Of course, just because I haven’t seen it, doesn’t make it innovative and, > of course, the technology involve is not earth shattering in the least and > I never suggested as much. In fact, I even mentioned that it may > *already* be done. I think that a simple message pointing me to the > other efforts, if they are published, would have been a more appropriate > response as that is what I suggested was a possibility in my message. > > > > I understand the concept of ASF. I understand that there are no > “teams”. The teams I was referencing were *external* teams. I did, > however, assume that there may be some gate-keeper[s] (team leads) for the > ASF tools like Jira, SVN , and Jenkins and that I might need some > understanding around access to these tools, Jira in particular. I am very > familiar with the tools but access to query Jira beyond the 100 record > limit would require additional information. > > > > Nicla, at times, I work on projects where teams are reluctant to use open > source code. This reluctance is, of course, largely unfounded. Even in > 2010 and beyond, I have had to fight to get tools like Jenkins, Maven, > Rundeck, Nagios, Nexus, Python, etc. ‘approved’ I’m sure others know this > pain. By showing these teams that open source is ran more predictably and > is usually more repeatable than many in-house projects, it would have some > benefit. The tools already in use by ASF do a *wonderful* job, I was > simply looking for something that was more abstract/agnostic from the tools > as some teams don’t use the same tools as ASF. I wanted metrics capturing > that looked at the lifecycle of the open source effort in total without > respect of the tools that captured the data. For example, something like > an Elastic Search dashboard that gave a full view of the SDLC without > having to go to Jira, Jenkins, SVN, etc. separately. > > > > Sometimes in our field we can take offense when none was intended. I > think this was one of those times. If anyone in the Apache dev community > was offended by my request, please know that was not my goal. I value your > work and champion your efforts on all projects! The entire IT community is > in your debt. > > > > > > Thanks a billion, > > > > > > -Alfred > > > > *From:* hedh...@gmail.com [mailto:hedh...@gmail.com] *On Behalf Of *Niclas > Hedhman > *Sent:* Sunday, November 13, 2016 5:51 PM > *To:* Alfred Webber <atweb...@wimss.com> > *Cc:* dev@community.apache.org > *Subject:* Re: Metrics & Baseline Reporting to Apache > > > > Forgot to use Alfred's mail address, as I suspect he is not subscribed... > > > > On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 6:49 AM, Niclas Hedhman <nic...@hedhman.org> > wrote: > > Alfred, > > The first metric that you should learn is that there are no "teams" and no > "team leads" in ASF. There are Apache projects, and they are populated by > individuals, operating independently of any organizational structure. > > > > Secondly, you are welcome to collect, collate and chart any information > that you want, as many other organizations and individuals have done in the > past. I don't see anything new or remarkably innovative by your effort, so > I can't imagine that anyone within the ASF will jump up and down in > excitement over your request. > > > > > > Good Luck > > Niclas > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 3:09 AM, Alfred Webber <atweb...@wimss.com> wrote: > > Hi team, > > > > > > I am a SCM/Dev OPS Architect. I would like to offer advanced CM Metrics > and analysis features to the Apache project if you have not already done it > or have any plans to do so. I would like to discuss this with team leads > if possible. I will host the metrics if necessary as a benefit to the team. > > > > The metrics will collect, collate, and chart information for all > projects. The data will be collected from > > 1. SVN > > 2. Jira > > 3. Jenkins > > 4. Sonar > > 5. Etc. > > > > The metrics could be a boon for those teams that make use of Apache > projects to see a BI approach to the efforts of the Apache team. Of > course, like other partners, it would benefit myself as well. Having > provided this kind of service to the Apache project would illustrate the > acumen of myself and my team. > > > > > > I eagerly await your response J, > > > > > > -Alfred Webber > > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/atwebber> > > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/atwebber> > > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/atwebber> > > > > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/atwebber> > > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/atwebber> > > -- <https://www.linkedin.com/in/atwebber> > > Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer > *http://zest.apache.org* - New Energy for Java > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/atwebber> > > > > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/atwebber> > > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/atwebber> > > -- <https://www.linkedin.com/in/atwebber> > > Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer > *http://zest.apache.org* - New Energy for Java > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/atwebber> > -- Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer http://zest.apache.org - New Energy for Java
