On 14 October 2016 at 15:13, A. Soroka <aj...@virginia.edu> wrote:
> I was responding to a previous message from Greg Chase:
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/34f2f4859aac61141cfe903a692c5806e50282eb6ca388a7f8959d35@%3Cdev.community.apache.org%3E
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> but perhaps I read too much into his remark "As a frequent non-code 
> contributor to several projects, having people like us as PMC (or PPMC) 
> members seems to do the trick."

I see.

In order to commit, one must be a committer, but the reverse is not true.
People with committer status don't have to commit code.
They may commit docn or not commit at all.

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> A. Soroka
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>> On Oct 14, 2016, at 10:08 AM, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On 14 October 2016 at 12:16, A. Soroka <aj...@virginia.edu> wrote:
>>> Thanks, community thinkers!
>>>
>>> The consensus is overwhelming for being generous with committer status.
>>>
>>> (Additionally, just as a point of record, it seems that at least some 
>>> projects are indeed giving PMC membership without committer status, so that 
>>> does seem to be reasonable Apache-fu, when appropriate.)
>>
>> I'm not sure what you mean by "committer status" here.
>>
>> To become a PMC member currently requires an ASF login and this
>> automatically gives committer karma on many projects.
>> To get an ASF login requires an ICLA.
>>
>> AIUI there are no plans to relax these requirements.
>>
>>> ---
>>> A. Soroka
>>> The University of Virginia Library
>>>
>>>> On Oct 13, 2016, at 9:30 PM, Shane Curcuru <a...@shanecurcuru.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Luciano Resende wrote on 10/13/16 9:20 PM:
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 6:06 PM, Rich Bowen <rbo...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 13, 2016 12:26, "Daniel Gruno" <humbed...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Top-posting because yay ponies!
>>>>>>> We've elected people committers in HTTPd solely due to them helping out
>>>>>>> on IRC. There is no rule that says you must write aaaaanything down in a
>>>>>>> file (code or documentation or otherwise) to become a committer :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any contribution can count towards merit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, more than one person who was made a docs committer on httpd went on
>>>>>> to make small code contributions. And some not so small. Point being, 
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> you extend trust, most people will rise to that level.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm a strong believer in handing out commit early and easy. If someone
>>>>>> breaks something, revert it. No harm done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> +1, I just wished some of the existing projects are watching this thread.
>>>>>
>>>> This is exactly the kind of helpful guidance that folks should feel free
>>>> to write content for the ComDev website.  Much easier to share when it's
>>>> at a permanent URL.
>>>>
>>>> https://community.apache.org/newbiefaq.html#websitecms
>>>>
>>>> And using the CMS, anyone can make suggested changes just from a web
>>>> browser - even non-committers!
>>>>
>>>> - Shane
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