On Thu, 11 Dec 2025 at 23:49, Paul King <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> True, I guess an analysis of the above suggested searches could
> reveal, in some cases, the sizes of the data and why the dozens or
> hundreds of cases mentioned above chose to use the flip/inver**
> methods instead of double storing the datasets. I would think small
> immutable datasets could be suitable for double storing. For large
> datasets, the storage requirements might be problematic. For mutable
> sets, the double manipulations for a putAll (as one example) can
> become messy.

AFAICT, Eclipse Collections flip creates a new Map with the keys and
values reversed.
So no saving in storage.

> Cheers, Paul.
>
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2025 at 8:19 AM sebb <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 11 Dec 2025 at 20:57, Paul King <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Well, I can just give you one user (multiple instances in the
> > > codebase) that I know of which is why I brought it up. I don't know
> > > anyone else using Commons Collections in their projects. Many projects
> > > I am involved in use Groovy which has some nicer workarounds than the
> > > stream variant I mentioned earlier. So, it's less critical for me, but
> > > I thought Java users would appreciate the simpler form.
> > >
> > > Asking ChatGPT about Eclipse Collections flip() usage and inverse()
> > > and invertFrom() for Guava points to Minecraft and Eclipse Xtext as
> > > quick examples of usage. It goes on to say:
> > >
> > > > How to find more examples yourself
> > > >
> > > > Use GitHub code search (or grep over downloaded repos) with queries 
> > > > like:
> > > >
> > > > Multimaps.invertFrom(
> > > > invertFrom( + Multimap
> > > > flip() + org.eclipse.collections (or search for Multimap.flip())
> > > >
> > > > Those queries will turn up dozens — often hundreds — of usages across 
> > > > OSS.
> > >
> >
> > However, if you know that you will need the inverse, it's not
> > difficult to build that in parallel.
> >
> > Are there any occasions where the inverse has to be built later from
> > an existing Multimap?
> >
> > > Cheers, Paul.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 12, 2025 at 1:23 AM Elliotte Rusty Harold
> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Dec 11, 2025 at 3:06 PM Gilles Sadowski <[email protected]> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello.
> > > >
> > > > > Isn't it a "chicken-and-egg" question?
> > > > > Isn't the purpose of a "common" library to implement well-defined and
> > > > > generally useful functionality, in the hope that it'll incite code 
> > > > > reuse?
> > > > > Until said functionality is implemented, it obviously cannot be 
> > > > > used...
> > > >
> > > > No, it isn't. The use case comes first. If you can point to three
> > > > existing projects that have had to implement this functionality
> > > > already, and that would be willing to replace their existing code with
> > > > a common library, then you have a case for implementing it here.
> > > > Absent that, it is unlikely it will be adopted broadly enough to be
> > > > worth the effort.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Elliotte Rusty Harold
> > > > [email protected]
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