> On Jul 16, 2020, at 9:17 PM, Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2020, at 9:10 PM, Matt Juntunen <matt.juntu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Rob,
>> 
>>> I think we might be coming towards time to make this move or at least 
>>> accommodate for gradle builds in commons.
>> 
>> Are you picturing that continued use of Maven will hinder development? Is it 
>> restricting us in some way?
>> 
> 
> Not at all, just trying to gauge community opinion here. 

I’d like to reiterate that, clearly, this all may be a non-starter because how 
closely we’re tied to maven. I just wanted to see what people thought.

> 
> -Rob
> 
>> Regards,
>> Matt
>> ________________________________
>> From: Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 8:48 PM
>> To: Commons Developers List <dev@commons.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: [all] Thoughts on build system maven -> gradle??
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 16, 2020, at 7:00 PM, Alex Remily <alex.rem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> For those of us not as familiar with Gradle, what are some of the
>>> benefits?  Drawbacks?
>> 
>> So gradle is an analog of maven, in that it provides dependency management 
>> in the same fashion. However, the configuration is written in groovy (not my 
>> favorite, but indeed a Turing complete language). Clearly the trade off 
>> would be that Apache’s main set of libraries moves off its build system, and 
>> that in itself may be a non-starter (I’m ok with that, but I feel the 
>> conversation valuable). It seems like newer java projects favor a gradle 
>> build system because most java developers these days heavily rely upon 
>> spring.
>> 
>> I honestly don’t know what the right direction here is, and I’m entirely 
>> open minded to anything anyone in the community has to offer.
>> 
>> All the best,
>> -Rob
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 5:30 PM Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I think we might be coming towards time to make this move or at least 
>>>> accommodate for gradle builds in commons. Let’s look to the success the 
>>>> Spring Framework has had here with gradle. That said, I’m merely trying to 
>>>> gauge opinions here and am entirely content to stay with maven, if that’s 
>>>> what the community wishes.
>>>> 
>>>> I’m a +1 on at least letting gradle be a part of our systems (don’t have 
>>>> to get rid of maven either).
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Rob
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