You can't blame the debugger too much when all the metadata you have for
code location is a file name and line number... ;-)
Gary
On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 6:49 PM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I blame the state of debuggers more so than lambdas. I've yet to see a Java
> debugger that can properly handle any sort of fluent DSL, and lambdas make
> fluent DSLs far more common now.
>
> On 29 January 2017 at 20:45, Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > > On Jan 29, 2017, at 9:24 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I know someone would reply with some Java 8 lamba... but that will
> never
> > be
> > > as easy to ready as a method name like isEmpty or hasSomething...
> > >
> >
> > At my day job a bunch of folks got giddy over the new java 8
> functionality
> > and ended up writing a ton of unreadable non-debugable code. So, I
> > definitely agree with this sentiment.
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> >
> > > Gary
> > >
> > >> On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Matt Benson <gudnabr...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Like Bene, this feels a little off to me. Just for argument's sake,
> > let's
> > >> look at:
> > >>
> > >> Optional.ofNullable(foo).map(Object::toString).filter(
> > >> StringUtils::isNotBlank).isPresent();
> > >>
> > >> Assuming you're on Java 8, of course. It's a bit long, but not
> horrible.
> > >> What about, in a Java 8-compatible version of [lang], an
> > >> Optionals/OptionalUtils class?
> > >>
> > >> public class OptionalUtils {
> > >>
> > >> public static Optional<String> toString(Object o) {
> > >> return map(o, Object::toString);
> > >> }
> > >>
> > >> static <T, R> Optional<R> map(T t, Function<? super T, ? extends R>
> > fn) {
> > >> return Optional.ofNullable(t).map(fn);
> > >> }
> > >> }
> > >>
> > >> Then your test could be shortened to:
> > >>
> > >> OptionalUtils.toString(foo).filter(StringUtils::
> > isNotBlank).isPresent();
> > >>
> > >> Just thinking "out loud",
> > >> Matt
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Gary Gregory <
> garydgreg...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> If you look at the link Matt provided, that handles arrays and
> > >> collection,
> > >>> but not Object.toString()
> > >>>
> > >>> Gary
> > >>>
> > >>> On Jan 28, 2017 1:13 AM, "Benedikt Ritter" <brit...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Am 28.01.2017 um 02:53 schrieb Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com
> >:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The simplest examples I have on hand are instances of Path and URI
> > >> which
> > >>>> can be built with an empty string. I want to know if these are
> > "empty".
> > >>> For
> > >>>> the app I am now on for example, a Path or null and "" should be
> > >> treated
> > >>>> the same. Same for a URI.
> > >>>
> > >>> I don’t think it is a good idea to define emptiness based on the
> return
> > >>> value of Object.toString(). Consider the following:
> > >>>
> > >>> isEmpty(null) -> true
> > >>> isEmpty(„“) -> true
> > >>> isEmpty(new URI(„“)) -> true
> > >>>
> > >>> But:
> > >>>
> > >>> isEmpty(Collections.emptyList()) -> false
> > >>> isEmpty(new int[0]) -> false
> > >>>
> > >>> This is because toString() has nothing to do with emptiness. For this
> > >>> reason I think it would be better to have explicitly typed method
> > >> overloads
> > >>> for the use cases you’re thinking about:
> > >>>
> > >>> boolean isEmpty(Path)
> > >>> boolean isEmpty(URI)
> > >>>
> > >>> I’m not sure whether this belong to [lang]. The first looks like it
> > >> belongs
> > >>> to [io] while the second would better fit into [net]…
> > >>>
> > >>> Benedikt
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Gary
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 5:37 PM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> That's an interesting use case, though I've never come across a
> > >>> toString()
> > >>>>> implementation that would be affected. Can you go into more detail?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On 27 January 2017 at 16:04, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> _Like_ that except that our Log4j version does not do the case I
> > >> want:
> > >>>>>> object.toString().
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Gary
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Something like this?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/logging-log4j2/blob/master/
> > >>>>>>> log4j-core/src/main/java/org/apache/logging/log4j/core/
> > >>>>>>> util/Assert.java#L43
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On 27 January 2017 at 15:54, Gary Gregory <
> garydgreg...@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Hi All,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> There are certain kinds of objects, _descriptor_ kind of objects
> > >> that
> > >>>>>>> would
> > >>>>>>>> benefit from isEmpty semantics. These kind of objects can
> describe
> > >>>>>>> complex
> > >>>>>>>> command line arguments and other kind of configuration objects.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I'd like to add with this pseudo code:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> boolean isEmpty(Object) {
> > >>>>>>>> return object == null ? true : isEmpty(object.toString());
> > >>>>>>>> }
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Thoughts?
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Same idea of isBlank(), isNotEmpty() and so on.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Gary
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>> E-Mail: garydgreg...@gmail.com | ggreg...@apache.org
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> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>> Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> --
> > >>>>>> E-Mail: garydgreg...@gmail.com | ggreg...@apache.org
> > >>>>>> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition
> > >>>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1617290459/ref=as_li_
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> > >>> b8>
> > >>>>>>
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> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> E-Mail: garydgreg...@gmail.com | ggreg...@apache.org
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> > > --
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> > > Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition
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>
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