On 28 November 2016 at 01:55, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote: > Are you suggesting [lang] becomes a multi-module project?
No, I'm suggesting that the annotations become an independent Commons component. If we don't want these used outside Commons (probably a good idea) then we can make this clear through Javadoc and package naming etc. The alternative is to add them to every component as and when they want to use them. And again, we should probably try to prevent them being used externally. My position is that only adding them to LANG is not the best solution. > Gary > > On Nov 27, 2016 5:01 PM, "sebb" <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 28 November 2016 at 00:11, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 4:09 PM, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> On 27 November 2016 at 23:51, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 3:41 PM, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On 27 November 2016 at 22:31, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 2:14 PM, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On 27 November 2016 at 22:03, Gary Gregory < >> garydgreg...@gmail.com> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > These annotations are the SAME as have been published all over >> the >> >> >> place, >> >> >> >> > so I do not think we need a PR for review. Reviewing the code in >> >> the >> >> >> repo >> >> >> >> > should be enough, but I'm not sure _what_ there is to review >> >> really. >> >> >> I've >> >> >> >> > already posted a link to the sources (a pastebin link). I'll >> >> create a >> >> >> >> Jira >> >> >> >> > of course. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> There is one aspect that needs review: does the annotation belong >> in >> >> >> LANG? >> >> >> >> If we want to use the annotation in other components, do they >> have to >> >> >> >> depend on LANG? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > No see below and previous messages. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> If not, do they all have their own copies? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > No. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> And what happens when LANG needs a non-BC release? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > What is the issue I am missing? >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> The package name for the annotation might need to change >> >> >> That would be a downstream nuisance. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Hi All, >> >> > >> >> > How is that different than changing the package name for any of our >> other >> >> > lang types? >> >> >> >> It's not. >> >> >> >> > If you want move a package, you have to break BC and we have clear >> >> > guidelines for that task. >> >> >> >> But why should I have to change package imports for annotations just >> >> because they happen to be in LANG? >> >> >> >> Note that this could get confusing. >> >> >> >> Say XYZ component starts out only needing lang for the annotations. >> >> So they include LANG 3.x and code the annotations. >> >> >> >> Later they find they want LANG 4.x for runtime. >> >> They would then need to drop the LANG 3.x dependency, fix up all the >> >> annotation imports etc. >> >> Unnecessary work if the annotations were in a separate component. >> >> >> >> Also, any tool that wants to check the annotations will have to look >> >> for them in lots of packages. >> >> >> >> Whilst it can no doubt be made to work, it's going to cause problems >> later. >> >> >> > >> > To be on the playful side, this is what my mother calls "borrowing >> trouble" >> > ;-) >> > >> > We can future-trip ourselves in all sorts of troubles. Our imaginations >> > know no bounds! :-) >> >> This is not an imaginary scenario. >> >> We know that LANG will have a non-BC release at some point. >> The plan is to allow non-LANG components to share the LANG annotations. >> We know that components which originally don't need LANG may end up >> needing LANG at run-time. >> Therefore the problem will occur. >> >> In this case, "look before you leap" is appropriate. >> >> > Gary >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > Since already have a package called org.apache.commons.lang3. >> concurrent, >> >> I >> >> > propose we place these annottaions in >> >> > org.apache.commons.lang3.concurrent.annotation. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> My expectation for such annotations is that they would be >> >> >> >> self-contained (or built-in to the languange, not LANG). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > It is _because_ they are NOT built-in the language or JRE that we >> are >> >> >> > proposing they belong in [lang]. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Since we are providing the annotation with CLASS retention only >> >> >> > (initially), there is no hard dependency on [lang] at runtime. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Is there some subtlety we are missing? >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes, the compile-time dependency. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > No surprise, right? You can't use an annotation without compiling the >> >> > source file. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> AFAIK it's not possible to have a Maven compile-only dependency; >> >> >> compile-time implies run-time. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > That's a tooling issue of course which should not invalidate the >> >> worthiness >> >> > of this feature. >> >> > >> >> > If I am a downstream user of Commons Lang's new annotations, I would >> >> need a >> >> > Maven scope that says "I need [lang] as a compile time only >> dependency" I >> >> > do not see such a scope on >> >> > https://maven.apache.org/guides/introduction/ >> introduction-to-dependency- >> >> mechanism.html#Dependency_Scope >> >> > >> >> > Time for a Jira! >> >> > >> >> > I wonder what Gradle offers users in this dept.? >> >> > >> >> > Gary >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Gary >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Gary >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Benedikt Ritter < >> >> brit...@apache.org> >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> schrieb am So., 27. Nov. >> >> 2016 >> >> >> um >> >> >> >> >> 21:01 Uhr: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > So let's start with the CLASS retention annotations first. >> I'll >> >> >> commit >> >> >> >> >> > later today. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Maybe create a GitHub PR so people can have a look before it >> goes >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> master? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Benedikt >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Gary >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > On Nov 27, 2016 9:50 AM, "Matt Sicker" <boa...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > > I feel like documenting thread safety in such a low level, >> >> widely >> >> >> >> used >> >> >> >> >> > > library like [lang] is a great idea. Whether it uses >> >> annotations, >> >> >> >> >> > javadocs, >> >> >> >> >> > > or some sort of informal javadoc comments isn't too big a >> >> deal to >> >> >> >> me, >> >> >> >> >> but >> >> >> >> >> > > providing some guarantees of thread safety or lack thereof >> >> would >> >> >> be >> >> >> >> >> > > invaluable information. >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > On 27 November 2016 at 07:11, Benedikt Ritter < >> >> >> brit...@apache.org> >> >> >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > I thought we decided to abstain from documenting thread >> >> safety >> >> >> >> since >> >> >> >> >> it >> >> >> >> >> > > > would get outdated quickly anyway. >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> schrieb am So., >> 27. >> >> Nov. >> >> >> >> 2016 >> >> >> >> >> um >> >> >> >> >> > > > 09:11 Uhr: >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > But if we then want a runtime version we had an odd >> >> packaging >> >> >> >> with >> >> >> >> >> > > CLASS >> >> >> >> >> > > > > retention in .concurrent. and RUNTIME in >> >> .concurrent.runtime. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > I might be in YAGNI territory here... >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > Gary >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 10:07 PM, Matt Sicker < >> >> >> boa...@gmail.com >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > I think adding the additional clazz/runtime package >> >> would >> >> >> be a >> >> >> >> >> > little >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > overkill if you only include one packaging option for >> >> now. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > On 27 November 2016 at 00:04, Gary Gregory < >> >> >> >> >> garydgreg...@gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > On Nov 26, 2016 8:40 PM, "Matt Sicker" < >> >> boa...@gmail.com >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > I can think of a couple use cases for runtime >> >> retention >> >> >> >> for >> >> >> >> >> > > thread >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > safety >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > annotations, but they're not specific to commons >> >> lang. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > 1. A framework could choose what type of data >> >> >> structure or >> >> >> >> >> > > > algorithm >> >> >> >> >> > > > > to >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > use >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > at runtime based on the presence of which thread >> >> safety >> >> >> >> >> > > annotation >> >> >> >> >> > > > is >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > on. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > Same for mutability. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > 2. A testing framework could use these >> annotations >> >> to >> >> >> try >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >> > > > > automate >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > some >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > sort of thread safety tests, though that sounds >> >> like a >> >> >> >> hard >> >> >> >> >> > > problem >> >> >> >> >> > > > > to >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > actually implement. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > However, it'd be easier to just start with class >> >> >> retention >> >> >> >> >> (or >> >> >> >> >> > > > source >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > retention) just for documentation purposes. >> Higher >> >> >> >> retention >> >> >> >> >> > > levels >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > could >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > be added later if an important use case came up. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > But which packaging option? >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Gary >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > On 26 November 2016 at 19:56, Gary Gregory < >> >> >> >> >> > > garydgreg...@gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 3:54 PM, sebb < >> >> >> seb...@gmail.com >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > On 26 November 2016 at 19:25, Gary Gregory < >> >> >> >> >> > > > > garydgreg...@gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > On a [crypto] thread, I mentioned >> >> >> >> >> > > > http://pastebin.com/RKPGGdJ9 >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > to >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > add >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > the >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > "classic" four javax.annotation.concurrent >> >> >> >> annotations >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> > > two >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > packages >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > (.clazz and .runtime) in Commons Lang for >> >> CLASS >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >> > RUNTIME >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > retentions. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > You'd use the CLASS version to avoid a hard >> >> >> >> dependency >> >> >> >> >> on >> >> >> >> >> > > > > [lang]. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > RUNTIME >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > to keep them around. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > We'd use the CLASS versions in all of >> Commons >> >> for >> >> >> >> >> > > documenting >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > thread >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > safety. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts? >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Definitely Class retention, not Runtime. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > You don't want to have to include the >> annotation >> >> >> jar >> >> >> >> on >> >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> > > > > runtime >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > classpath. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Hi Sebb, >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Right now I have both of these packages: >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > - org.apache.commons.lang3. >> >> >> annotation.concurrent.clazz >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > - org.apache.commons.lang3. >> >> >> >> annotation.concurrent.runtime >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Each with a copy of: >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > GuardedBy >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Immutable >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > NotThreadSafe >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > ThreadSafe >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Should we include what I have as is? >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > If we were to only provide the annotation at >> the >> >> >> CLASS >> >> >> >> >> > > retention >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > level, >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > should we still package them in >> >> >> >> >> > ...annotation.concurrent.clazz >> >> >> >> >> > > in >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > case >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > we >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > want to provide annotation.concurrent.runtime >> >> later? >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > If we know for certain we never want to provide >> >> >> RUNTIME >> >> >> >> >> > > > retention, >> >> >> >> >> > > > > we >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > can >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > put them all in annotation.concurrent now. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Thoughts? >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Gary >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > [I don't know why the annotations were ever >> >> >> considered >> >> >> >> >> > > suitable >> >> >> >> >> > > > > for >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > runtime] >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > Gary >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > -- >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > E-Mail: garydgreg...@gmail.com | >> >> >> >> ggreg...@apache.org >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second >> >> Edition >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > <https://www.amazon.com/gp/ >> >> >> >> >> product/1617290459/ref=as_li_ >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative= >> >> >> >> >> 9325&creativeASIN=1617290459& >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > linkCode=as2&tag=garygregory-20&linkId= >> >> >> >> >> cadb800f39946ec62ea2b1af9fe6a2 >> >> >> >> >> > > b8> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > <http://// >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com/e/ >> >> >> ir?t=garygregory-20&l=am2&o=1& >> >> >> >> a= >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > 1617290459> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > 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