Brief side-comments from a lurker.

It appears that any kind of [VOTE] is premature.  There needs to be a better 
way to find consensus, including more preparatory discussion and determination 
of an actionable direction.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Gregory [mailto:garydgreg...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 10:40
> To: Commons Developers List <dev@commons.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move Commons Math to TLP (again)...
> 
> Do we need some kind of ranked vote with choices like:
> 
> Where should Commons Math go (in alpha order)?
> - Commons Attic
> - Incubator then TLP
> - Incubator then Commons Math
[orcmid] 

"Incubator then ... " is not in the Power of Apache Commons to determine.  How 
something enters and then leaves incubation is entirely for Apache Incubator to 
work through based on how the podling moves toward graduation.  I'd be 
surprised if a podling proposal would be accepted with strings attached.

I suggest that the way the Incubator option goes forward at all is by starting, 
here at Commons, a draft Incubator proposal with the important-to-Commons 
aspect being identification of the code base and related artifacts that will be 
transposed into the podling on acceptance of the proposal.  

It is somewhat orthogonal to that for Commons to determine what is done with 
the current Commons Math code base and related artifacts if the incubation 
proposal is approved by Incubator.  I suspect that there needs to be some 
consensus around that before Commons would express any sort of 
advisory/consensus agreement from Commons unless the incubation is simply done 
as a fork to which Commons has no objection.  

It seems to me that the best way to achieve clarity is by starting down this 
road, first at Commons.  It is a reversible journey up to the point that an 
Incubator vote on acceptance of the podling passes.


> - Stay put
> - TLP
[orcmid] 

The TLP case raises all of the same questions with regard to transposition of 
code and other artifacts (e.g., JIRA, web pages, dedicated lists, ....), 
suggesting that the incubation proposal exercise would be equally valuable for 
clarity before taking a TLP resolution to the Board.

> 
> ?
> 
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