On 7 June 2016 at 14:29, Dave Brosius <dbros...@apache.org> wrote:
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> On 06/07/2016 06:39 AM, sebb wrote:
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>> On 7 June 2016 at 11:15, Torsten Curdt <tcu...@vafer.org> wrote:
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>>>> 1) I don't believe we should force users to migrate their code in
>>>> order to support java 7/8.
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>>> ...and that line of thinking is why it feels like commons projects are
>>> effectively stuck in the past.
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>> And maybe the ease of upgrade is why they are popular with users.
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> What upgrade? When have the users had to upgrade? like 3 years ago?
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>>> No one needs to upgrade. If your projects live in the past - there are
>>> bug
>>> fix releases.
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>> That's not the case in general. Very few commons projects maintain
>> parallel releases.
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>>> But if you want the new shiny then you as well should be OK to put in
>>> some
>>> effort to do so.
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>> Why should the user have to do so?
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> There's one thing above all else that really is painful to the user. No
> upgrades!
> Why are there no upgrades? Because there are no developers!
> Why are there no developers? Because they are punished with a horrendous
> development experience. Oh boy, can't wait to develop with 1.5 in SVN!!
> that's a treat.

You are conflating several issues in one.

The Java version is orthogonal to compatibility.
The source code implementation is nothing to do with either the Java
version or compatibility.

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>>> Change should be easy - not just for our user but also for us.
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>> There are many more users than there are developers.
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>>> My 2 cents
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>> Suppose there are 10 developers on BCEL; that's 20 cents.
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>> There may be 1000 or more users.
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>> That's 20 dollars.
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