2015-01-16 17:21 GMT+01:00 Ben McCann <b...@benmccann.com>: > I find the whole I idea of a mailing list very 1990s.
+1 I've heard that from people several times... > I'd much prefer > something like Google Groups where I can set my notification preferences > easily to send me updates only on certain threads such as threads I've > started, which has a nice easily browsable and searchable web interface, > and where I do not have to go through a signup process for each new > group/list I want to post to. I feel many of the problems folks are talking > about here are caused by using a frustrating technology. E.g. it was > mentioned that if we split mailing lists that joining every list would be > very painful. Perhaps that's because the process of joining just a single > list is too difficult. Having to setup filters is also not very > user-friendly. How do I make a filter that says only put threads on which > I've participated in my inbox? There's probably a way, but it's not as > obvious as clicking a single button. And even with filters I still don't > want most of this garbage coming to my mail account anyway because it > pollutes my search results when I'm looking for something I do care about. > I signed up for the dev list just so that I could ask that someone reviews > and commits my patch <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/BCEL-186> > (which > I still need help with), but I really have no interest in getting any > commons mail beyond that. I've never participated in any of these other > projects and flooding my inbox is just frustrating and isn't going to cause > me to start. The web interface for mailing list archives is truly > horrendous. > > > > On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Gilles <gil...@harfang.homelinux.org> > wrote: > > > On Fri, 16 Jan 2015 16:52:36 +0100, Torsten Curdt wrote: > > > >> Was it mentioned that anybody would be forbidden to subscribe to any > >>> ML they see fit? > >>> > >> > >> You missed my point - but never mind. > >> > > > > What was it? > > > > Judging from your comments below, you completely missed mine. > > > > > > > >> That comparison is pretty flawed as those projects are not tiny > >>>> components. > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I'm not talking about the size of components, but the size of the > >>> ML traffic. > >>> > >> > >> So just because a component/project has a lot of ML traffic you want > >> to make it TLP? > >> > > > > I never said that. > > I'm only complaining about ML traffic. > > > > Usually it should be about having enough active committers and users. > >> While this might contribute to ML traffic, it doesn't necessarily > >> mean the same. > >> > >> > >> I've never a great fan of umbrellas but the components are so small - > >>>> I don't see another option. The thought of components to go TLP feels > >>>> just plain silly to me. Hence it would be great to work together as a > >>>> community that takes care of those components. > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> The idea of "Commons Math" being a component is silly, but we can > accept > >>> silly things that result from history (and consider the practical > >>> advantages, as I noted elsewhere). > >>> > >> > >> Well, by the current definition it's not an Apache project. Call it > >> sub-project if you like - I don't care. > >> > > > > What I'm calling "project" is a _programming_ project; that's the word > > I'm used to; do you have another one? > > Every component is a separate programming project, it's a simple fact. > > > > At some stage we decided to call it component. After all I see it as > >> a library. > >> > >> Do you think it's more and needs to be raised to the level to full > >> blown project like hadoop or httpd? > >> Not sure it Math holds that comparison but you are welcome to convince > us. > >> > > > > I think that this has nothing to do with this thread. > > > > > >> If it depends on the name of the list, I guess that the "sense of > >>> community" is not very developed... > >>> > >> > >> And that's what I call an oversimplification. > >> > >> > > You brought that up (one community == one list). Or another missed point? > > > > > > Gilles > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > > > > > > > -- > about.me/benmccann > -- http://people.apache.org/~britter/ http://www.systemoutprintln.de/ http://twitter.com/BenediktRitter http://github.com/britter
