On 18 Oct 2013, at 9:24, Jörg Schaible wrote:

Hi Christian,

Christian Grobmeier wrote:

On 17 Oct 2013, at 18:12, Paul Benedict wrote:

I am glad to hear being "dormant" is not the same thing as being in
the
"attic"

Why?

Because "attic" means more or less that we not even intend to work on this component anymore. E.g. we decided that we will not put any further effort
into oro, because it has been outdated by the JDK.

Being in the attic is NOT a permanent thing. Get active developers, leave the attic. If a project doesn't make any sense, stay in the attic.
We are having an attic but called it "dormant".

Unmaintained projects are a potential risk for our users. With having a
dormant
state we replicate the attic. I don't see a difference between a dormant
component and one in the attic - except that the term "attic" is more
established (as in foundation wide)
as the term "dormant".

It simply means that no one is currently actively working on it, but it tells you nothing about its maturity or feature completeness. However, if we get a security report on one of this components, I am quite sure that we
will react with a new release in time.

Given that normal releases will take a long time at Commons I doubt.
There is a security issue for this dormant components JavaDoc:
http://commons.apache.org/dormant/clazz/apidocs/index.html

Nobody reacted (includes me).

And any (Apache) committer with interest can revive development quite immediately. It might be more difficult for users, but if one has interest and starts to bring reasonable patches, we were always quite lenient with committer status. I doubt, that we would see here any development for collections 4.x, if we had moved it into "attic". Especially because the term "attic" and its meaning is more
established.

Attic components can be revived similar quickly. Nobody said we need to delete any reference
from our webpages and prevent any collaboration with others.

Cheers
Christian


That said, I will not fight for removing the dormant-term. If you all
like it keep it.

- Jörg


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