You already created location for this Nial on SVN and Donal knows about it.
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Niall Pemberton<niall.pember...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Donald Woods <dwo...@apache.org> wrote: >> >> >> Niall Pemberton wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Donald Woods <dwo...@apache.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> Everyone, I think it is time again to reopen the discussions around >>>> creating >>>> a Validator2 release [1], which implements the upcoming JSR-303 Bean >>>> Validation spec [2] and [3]. Since JSR-303 is now a required component >>>> of >>>> Java EE 6 application servers and must be supported by JSR-314 JSF2 and >>>> JSR-317 JPA2, there is growing interest in the Apache Geronimo, Apache >>>> OpenJPA, Apache MyFaces and Apache OpenEJB projects to grow and maintain >>>> a >>>> JSR-303 implementation at Apache. >>>> >>>> First, to meet this goal, I would like us to consider the following >>>> options: >>>> >>>> I. - Commons Sandbox >>>> Utilize the existing validator2 sandbox area [4] to collaborate on a >>>> JSR-303 >>>> implementation which would eventually become commons-validator-2.0. >>>> Pros: Existing Apache committers can be given access to the sandbox and >>>> work with the Commons community to become committers. >>>> Cons: Non-committers must provide patches and build karma, even before >>>> the >>>> project is moved out of the sandbox (we have interest from two companies >>>> to >>>> help, but most of their potential contributors are not Apache >>>> committers.) >>>> >>>> II. - Apache Incubator >>>> Submit an incubator proposal to create a JSR-303 focused project, which >>>> would be sponsored by the Commons PMC and/or Geronimo PMC with the goal >>>> being that the candidate proposal would become a sub-project of Commons >>>> as >>>> the new Validator R2 code base. >>>> Pros: Allows us to seed the initial project with non-committers and >>>> demonstrate there is broad support for this project. >>>> Cons: Additional incubator proposal and graduation overhead, along with >>>> not >>>> working closely with the whole Commons community on developing the new >>>> code >>>> base. >>> >>> I don't really have an opinion on this - the people who are going to >>> do the actual work should decide. >>> >>>> Secondly, we have two existing JSR-303 implementations that we could >>>> possibly use to help bootstrap this effort: >>> >>> Can you be a bit more specific on what you think the scope for Commons >>> Validator 2 should be? Does it need to be a JSR-303 implementation >>> (esp. if the JBoss RI is Apache Licensed) or something built on top of >>> JSR-303. I'm not trying to be antagonistic, but if the main motivation >>> is so that Geronimo has a fulling compliant EE 6 release why not just >>> take the JSR 303 RI? >> >> A Validator2 project would need to implement the JSR-303 spec (requires JDK5 >> or later for annotation support), along with providing as much of a >> migration path for existing Validator users as possible. >> >> Hosting a codebase at Apache would allow us to: >> 1) bring value-add to JSR-303 by keeping the current commons-validator >> constraints as additional implementation unique ones (most of which are not >> currently required as part of a JSR-303 implementation) and possibly the >> client-side Javascript >> 2) provide an Apache hosted codebase that other ASF projects (Geronimo, >> MyFaces, OpenJPA, OpenEJB, ...) could rely upon for timely fixes and >> releases (instead of a JBoss controlled release schedule for Hibernate) >> 3) potentially provide future integration, feature and performance >> enhancements over the RI, as required by our ASF projects and user >> communities > > OK, fair enough. In theory I'd like to participate, but the reality is > I'm unlikely to as I haven't found any time for validator or JSR 303 > in the last couple of years. I will try to help with the process of > getting it from wherever it starts (either here in the sandbox or > incubator) back to being a "proper" commons component, if thats the > desired final destination. Do you have a preference for location? > > Niall > >> -Donald >> >> >>> >>> Niall >>> >>> >>>> I. - Agimatec-Validation project on Google Code >>>> Code uses ASL 2.0 and I have approached one of the Agimatec GmbH >>>> employees >>>> about possibly donating the existing code to Apache. >>>> >>>> II. - JSR-303 RI >>>> Code being developed by Red Hat as the RI using ASL 2.0. Kevin Sutter >>>> from >>>> the OpenJPA team has approached Emmanuel at Red Hat on this subject, but >>>> it >>>> is doubtful we would see a code donation, but could pull it in as >>>> third-party code to get started. >>>> >>>> >>>> Please let me know your thoughts, as we would like to get this >>>> bootstrapped >>>> this month, as the Geronimo community is starting to put together our >>>> plans >>>> for a Geronimo 3.0 release in 2010 for a Java EE 6 application server. >>>> >>>> >>>> -Donald Woods >>>> Apache Geronimo Committer and PMC member >>>> Apache OpenJPA Committer and PMC member >>>> dwoods.AT.apache.org >>>> >>>> >>>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VALIDATOR-279 >>>> >>>> [2] http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=303 >>>> >>>> [3] http://people.redhat.com/~ebernard/validation/ >>>> >>>> [4] https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/commons/sandbox/validator2/trunk >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >>>> >>>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >>> >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > > -- Thanks - Mohammad Nour - LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/mnour ---- "Life is like riding a bicycle. 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