Hello folks, I see no problem with using chat platforms. The mail should stay as the default communication tool indeed, but several times I used Slack when helping foes around, raising questions, and pinging folks on private chat. As far as we have tools and they are being used by the community I see no problem with keeping them around.
However, I think that the main point raised by Andrija is regarding the "marketing" of the channels. We normally promote IRC (pointing to irc.freenode.net), but CloudStack IRC channels look pretty dead, especially considering that it is the "official" ACS chat tool. Does promoting all channels (IRC + Slack) look a good idea? Should we keep only one option? In one hand, IRC currently is not as active as Slack, but on the other hand, Slack requires an invitation e-mail. Regards, Gabriel. Em sex, 23 de ago de 2019 às 08:45, Rohit Yadav <rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com> escreveu: > All, > > I think email is the more persistent form of communication and it must > continue to be the default communication mechanism for the project > dev+user+etc. > > For a more real-time/transient communication, IRC or slack are good tools. > I don't have any preference on either, as I'm not an active user on either > of them. It just happened that someone asked me to join the-asf slack for > some other group, and I saw many projects having their channels there and I > made a comment about it on our current apachecloudstack community slack > which is outside of the-asf group. I've got both of them setup on my > desktop slack now, if it's too difficult to migrate everyone from the old > slack group to the-asf slack group, let's continue as is; or perhaps add an > IRC-gateway between the two. > > > Regards, > > Rohit Yadav > > Software Architect, ShapeBlue > > https://www.shapeblue.com > > ________________________________ > From: Sven Vogel <s.vo...@ewerk.com> > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 01:01 > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org <dev@cloudstack.apache.org> > Cc: Nux! <n...@li.nux.ro> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel > > Hey Guys, > > I don’t understand the problem. I don’t like slack too but I don’t like > mailing list or neither. I think the first one is closed and slow. For me > is an mailing list or irc also not the wisdom final conclusion but hey do > we have a better one? No. > > If IRC is death drop it. If we don’t want slack drop it. leave ONLY the > mailing list until there we get an better interactive technology, maybe > open source. > > Cheers > > > __ > > Sven Vogel > Teamlead Platform > > EWERK RZ GmbH > Brühl 24, D-04109 Leipzig > P +49 341 42649 - 11 > F +49 341 42649 - 18 > s.vo...@ewerk.com > www.ewerk.com<http://www.ewerk.com> > > Geschäftsführer: > Dr. Erik Wende, Hendrik Schubert, Frank Richter > Registergericht: Leipzig HRB 17023 > > Zertifiziert nach: > ISO/IEC 27001:2013 > DIN EN ISO 9001:2015 > DIN ISO/IEC 20000-1:2011 > > EWERK-Blog | LinkedIn | Xing | Twitter | Facebook > > Auskünfte und Angebote per Mail sind freibleibend und unverbindlich. > > Disclaimer Privacy: > Der Inhalt dieser E-Mail (einschließlich etwaiger beigefügter Dateien) ist > vertraulich und nur für den Empfänger bestimmt. 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Thank you. > > Am 22.08.2019 um 20:28 schrieb Andrija Panic <andrija.pa...@gmail.com>: > > > > My whole idea is that having one (IRC) marketed on web pages, while using > > the other silently (Slack) makes less than zero sense to me. > > > > And, for me, a tool is a tool, I'm not married to it (some people prefer > vi > > editor and have religious attachments to it, I just use nano to get the > job > > done) > > > >> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 19:49 Nux! <n...@li.nux.ro> wrote: > >> > >> I'm heavily against Slack or any other proprietary, closed solutions. > >> > >> I think it's a step back generally for the Internet at large and even > >> more so for an open source project; I can't reconcile the two in my > >> heart. > >> > >> Having said that, I believe the chat is dead not because it's IRC, but > >> because people prefer async comms (ie email). It'll be the same for > >> Slack. > >> > >> > >> We should be promoting the mailing lists. They are active and the > >> archives are open to search engines etc and can further provide helpful > >> information to everyone. > >> > >> I won't -1 the decision, I don't want to be in the way of "progress", > >> but it's not a +1 either. I won't be using it. > >> > >> My 2p > >> > >> > >> --- > >> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! > >> > >>> On 2019-08-22 16:57, Andrija Panic wrote: > >>> Hi guys, > >>> > >>> Since IRC is pretty dead, and we already have a Slack channel ( > >>> https://apachecloudstack.slack.com ) that we use atm, AND since there > >>> seems > >>> to be an official ASF slack channel at https://the-asf.slack.com/, I > >>> would > >>> like to open a discussion of the idea to "officially" move (i.e. > >>> marketing > >>> this on all event pages and main web site) to that new CloudStack > >>> channel > >>> on the official ASF slack account/page - and abandon (close for good) > >>> all > >>> others chat channels. > >>> > >>> i.e. on this year conference page (http://us.cloudstackcollab.org/) we > >>> currently announce the IRC channel (???) to be the one (and AFAIK it's > >>> pretty dead) - so I would propose to move forward and update this, so > >>> the > >>> users can be aware of "alive" chat channel > >>> > >>> Suggestions, opinions ? > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Andrija Panić > >> > > rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com > www.shapeblue.com > Amadeus House, Floral Street, London WC2E 9DPUK > @shapeblue > > > >
