Hi Ivan,
I took some time to reflect and get back to you: I agree the freeze date may be a bit aggressive, based on past experiences that we've all seen the final release may take some time (weeks even). After the freeze, we can all work towards the stability, fix bugs for a stable and proper release. A non-LTS branch such as 4.10 may not receive much usage and attention, therefore less reporting of bugs and fixes. For production users, an LTS release is recommended who are keen on stability than (new) features, the current one being the 4.9.x releases. Starting with 4.11 it's something we'll fix on the website i.e. to recommend most users to stay with LTS releases, give information about support dates for such releases etc. Like any software release, there will be bugs and it's not an issue as long as they get reported and fixed. I'm glad to see your participation, PRs and will work with you and others for a stable release. Keep sending PRs, review other's PRs and help with testing and reporting of bugs! - Rohit ________________________________ From: Ivan Kudryavtsev <kudryavtsev...@bw-sw.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 9:34:43 AM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Rohit Yadav; us...@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: Call for participation: Issue triaging and PR review/testing Hello, devs, users, Rohit. Have a good day. Rohit, you intend to freeze 4.11 on 8 january and, frankly speaking, I see risks here. A major risk is that 4.10 is too buggy and it seems nobody uses it actually right now in production because it's unusable, unfortunately, so we are planning to freeze 4.11 which stands on untested 4.10 with a lot of lacks still undiscovered and not reported. I believe it's a very dangerous way to release one more release with bad quality. Actually, marvin and units don't cover regressions I meet in 4.10. Ok, let's take a look at new one our engineers found today in 4.10: It happens rarely for Domain Admin, probably other roles are affected. We meet it once a week. It's for resource accounting. Domain admin resource quota is 200GB of primary storage. During continouos creation of VMs and removing them it leads to "Maximum number of resources of type 'primary_storage' for domain id=2 has been exceeded", however only 26 GB is used actually. I mean smoke tests run well, unit tests run well, but *nobody reported very obvious bug* which should be met number of times if community use 4.10. I suppose, there are a lot of undiscovered and unreported regressions in 4.10 and this is a huge risk to the 4.11 release quality and more we move that way quality decreases. Unfortunately, I'm not able to propose a silver bullet, but I suppose feature development speed should be decreased until master is tested very thoroughly and might be 8 january is too early for 4.11 freeze. 2017-12-09 2:00 GMT+07:00 Wido den Hollander <w...@widodh.nl>: > > > On 12/08/2017 03:24 PM, Rohit Yadav wrote: > >> All, >> >> Given we've about a month left until 4.11/LTS freeze date of 8th Jan 2018 >> [1], I would like to call our community for active participation. >> >> Given a huge pile of open issues, please share on this thread a 'brief' >> list of top bugs/issues that you would want to see fixed and are >> applicable >> to master branch, especially critical/blocker issues and regressions. I >> would especially like to engage with the users of the community towards >> this effort. I'll start weekly reporting of open issues by end of next >> week. >> >> Developers - feel free to comment tagging Daan (@DaanHoogland), Paul >> (@PaulAngus) and me (@rhtyd) in your pull requests if you're seeking >> review >> and testing (and merging) of your PR. I hope to work with you all with my >> committer/contributor hat on. >> >> Finally, I look forward to all of your help and support towards the next >> (LTS) release. >> >> > Let's make it work! > > Thoughts, comments? >> >> > With the holiday season coming up we might see things slow down a bit. But > I think we already have enough PRs open for 4.11 > > We should be able to get out a proper release again. > > Wido > > > [1] http://markmail.org/message/mszlluye35acvn2j >> >> Regards, >> Rohit Yadav >> http://rohityadav.cloud | @rhtyd >> >> __?.o/ Apache CloudStack >> ( )# The best of CloudStack is yet to come! >> (___(_) https://cloudstack.apache.org >> >> -- With best regards, Ivan Kudryavtsev Bitworks Software, Ltd. Cell: +7-923-414-1515 WWW: http://bitworks.software/ <http://bw-sw.com/> rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London WC2N 4HSUK @shapeblue
