On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 7:50 PM, Jim Jagielski <j...@jagunet.com> wrote:
> > > On Mar 19, 2016, at 2:12 PM, sebgoa <run...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Personally I have always thought that this is a very serious issue and > trend in open source projects and that ASF (and the board in particular) > should try to proactively address. What is the future of ASF in a GitHub > world ? Can an ASF project live outside of ASF infra, especially in a Cloud > world ? Sadly I never saw any clear proactivity from the board. > > > > I can answer this by asking you one question: What value, if > any, do you see the ASF providing to Cloudstack? > > I will avoid the very Mom-like retort: "If all your friends were > going to jump off a roof, would you too?" :) :) > > Real Open Source collaboration, and community, is more than > just developer workflow. Hopefully, one day people will > remember that... The ASF, however, will never forget it. > > Meanwhile, I still boggle at people who paint Microsoft as > (still) enemies of Open Source, yet bend over backwards to > portray Github as true, passionate open source liberators. > People passionate about open source are seriously pushing > that projects be hosted on a single-vendor, closed-source, > proprietary environment. If that vendor's name was "Microsoft" > or "Oracle" people would be loosing their sh*t; because it's > called "Github" well, that's OK then. > > Kinds of reminds me, as a libertarian, as those people who > are willing to give up some (real) rights and liberties > for some (perceived) additional security. > > I'm not saying that GH isn't useful, but it's not the holy > grail, nor is it a workflow and platform that we should > be encouraging the next-gen of developers to swallow hook, > line and sinker. Jim, you sound like someone gave you the impression that they didn't want the wip-us repo to be the primary source of cloudstack code any more. I wonder who and how? I do not care if IBM, Oracle or Microsoft would host mirrors or clones or forks or whatever. On the contrary, it would be an honour. I am also very pleased to be able to have a fork on github. Besides all that, how would you plea that the Apache foundation isn't trying to bind 'em all with a single repository like all the commercial governments, as well? As a libertarian I don't trust 'not for profit' any more then any other business objective. The writing above is yet another sound from the board that makes me believe there is discontent and I don't understand. -- Daan
