Ian,

Thanks for the clarification and effort.
I'm trying to make some time for testing as well, between 4.5 RCs. 

Can you guys remind me again where I can get your version from (ie git repo)?

Lucian

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----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ian Southam" <isout...@schubergphilis.com>
> To: "Daan Hoogland" <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com>
> Cc: "dev" <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>, "John Kinsella" <j...@stratosec.co>, 
> "int-cloud" <int-cl...@schubergphilis.com>
> Sent: Thursday, 19 February, 2015 16:39:22
> Subject: Re: [MERGE] Redundant VPC routers and persistent router config

> Hi All,
> 
> We have had a discussion about this development in-house and have decided to
> slow things down just a little.  We just want a few days to get our own
> integration test coverage better.  We hope that way to be able to merge code
> with a much fewer faults.
> 
> We do not however have the resources to test everything and of course we known
> there will be use cases out there that we have not properly considered.
> 
> Our plan, is to test Xen and KVM as thoroughly as we can.  We will not test
> VMware, OVM or Hyperv.  We hope that we can reply on the community to help us
> there!
> 
> The plan is then to aim to merge master on the 5 March (in two weeks time).
> 
> @Marcus.
> 
> Persistent config means that the configuration can survive reboots and 
> crashes.
> It should not affect recreate operations.
> 
> In the case of the VPC we explicitly provide both options, restart and 
> recreate.
> 
> To be honest some of the things we do, do slightly challenge the cloud 
> paradigm
> as our model does contain some elements of self healing.   Also we let VRRP
> make its own decisions about master and backup (whilst ensuring the the
> orchestration layer knows what is happening).  If you have some concerns about
> this, I am happy o discuss.
> 
> —
> Grts!
> Ian
> 
> 
> 
> On 18 Feb 2015, at 08:37, Daan Hoogland <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Good point Marcus. I'll look into that.
>> 
>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 9:38 PM, Marcus <shadow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Yes, I just want to make sure that it doesn't require/assume
>>> persistency when some people rely on recreate.systemvm.enabled=true to
>>> provide clean/fresh systemvms with every reboot, consistent with the
>>> cloud paradigm.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Daan Hoogland <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> Yes, the delete works. Dont know if we included the option recreate in
>>>> our tests. Should not be a biggy though. It is not relevant for the
>>>> persistency.
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Marcus <shadow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> But a recreate will still work, right? If you delete the router or set
>>>>> recreate.systemvm.enabled=true it will still result in a working
>>>>> router?
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Daan Hoogland <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> It means that cloudstack doesn't have to reconfigure them on reboot as
>>>>>> they have the config on disk.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Marcus <shadow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Can someone expand on what's meant by 'systemvm persistent config'?
>>>>>>> Somehow this makes me think that the systemvms would no longer be
>>>>>>> easily rebuildable.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 5:11 AM, Wilder Rodrigues
>>>>>>> <wrodrig...@schubergphilis.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I’m building a devcloud-kvm in order to test our changes with a 
>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>> environment as well.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Wilder
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 17 Feb 2015, at 01:46, Wilder Rodrigues 
>>>>>>>> <wrodrig...@schubergphilis.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I have been some tests on the branch in order to give you all some 
>>>>>>>>> confidence.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> During the tests I found 1 bug related to communication from VM A on 
>>>>>>>>> Tier 1 to
>>>>>>>>> VM B on Tier 2 in a Single VPC. I can reproduce the bug and it 
>>>>>>>>> disappears when
>>>>>>>>> I convert the Single VPC to a redundant one. I already talked to Ian 
>>>>>>>>> and he is
>>>>>>>>> on it.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Results follow below.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Wilder
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Environment:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Xen 6.2 running on VMware zone within our Betacloud (ACS 4.4.2)
>>>>>>>>> MySQL running on MacBook Pro
>>>>>>>>> Management Server on MacBook Pro
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ::: Manual Tests:::
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Isolated Networks
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> * Create Network
>>>>>>>>> * Create 2 VMs using new Network
>>>>>>>>> * Create FW rules
>>>>>>>>> * Create PF rules
>>>>>>>>> * SSH to the VMs
>>>>>>>>> * SSH from one VM onto the other in the same isolated network
>>>>>>>>> * Destroy Master router
>>>>>>>>> * Restart the Network
>>>>>>>>> * Restart the Network with Clean-up option
>>>>>>>>> * Repeat steps above
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Redundant Isolated Networks
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> * Create Redundant Network Offering
>>>>>>>>> * Create 2 VMs using new offering
>>>>>>>>> * Create FW rules
>>>>>>>>> * Create PF rules
>>>>>>>>> * SSH to the VMs
>>>>>>>>> * SSH from one VM onto the other in the same redundant isolated 
>>>>>>>>> network
>>>>>>>>> * Destroy Master router
>>>>>>>>> * Restart the Network
>>>>>>>>> * Stop the Master Router
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Single VPC
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> * Create VPC
>>>>>>>>> * Create 2 Tiers
>>>>>>>>> * Create ACLS
>>>>>>>>> * Create 1 Vm for each Tier
>>>>>>>>> * Associate 2 IP address
>>>>>>>>> * Add PF rules
>>>>>>>>> * SSH onto VMs
>>>>>>>>> * SSH from 1 VM onto another
>>>>>>>>> * Restart VPC - Make it redundant
>>>>>>>>> * Repeat steps above
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Redundant VPC
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> * Create VPC
>>>>>>>>> * Create 2 Tiers
>>>>>>>>> * Create ACLS
>>>>>>>>> * Create 1 Vm for each Tier
>>>>>>>>> * Associate 2 IP address
>>>>>>>>> * Add PF rules
>>>>>>>>> * SSH onto VMs
>>>>>>>>> * SSH from 1 VM onto another
>>>>>>>>> * Stop/Destroy the Master Router
>>>>>>>>> * Observe the Backup router became Master
>>>>>>>>> * SSH again onto the VMs
>>>>>>>>> * Restart VPC (without clean-up)
>>>>>>>>> * Observer only 1 new router is created
>>>>>>>>> * New router is started as Backup
>>>>>>>>> * SSH onto VMs
>>>>>>>>> * Restart VPC (with clean-up)
>>>>>>>>> * Observer only 2 new routers are created
>>>>>>>>> * SSH onto VMs
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ::: Automated Tests :::
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Test Create Account and user for that account ... === TestName:
>>>>>>>>> test_01_create_account | Status : SUCCESS ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> Test Sub domain allowed to launch VM  when a Domain level zone is 
>>>>>>>>> created ...
>>>>>>>>> === TestName: test_01_add_vm_to_subdomain | Status : SUCCESS ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> Test delete domain without force option ... === TestName: 
>>>>>>>>> test_DeleteDomain |
>>>>>>>>> Status : SUCCESS ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> Test delete domain with force option ... === TestName: 
>>>>>>>>> test_forceDeleteDomain |
>>>>>>>>> Status : SUCCESS ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> Test update admin details ... === TestName: test_updateAdminDetails | 
>>>>>>>>> Status :
>>>>>>>>> SUCCESS ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> Test update domain admin details ... === TestName: 
>>>>>>>>> test_updateDomainAdminDetails
>>>>>>>>> | Status : SUCCESS ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> Test user update API ... === TestName: test_updateUserDetails | 
>>>>>>>>> Status : SUCCESS
>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> Test login API with domain ... === TestName: test_LoginApiDomain | 
>>>>>>>>> Status :
>>>>>>>>> SUCCESS ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> Test if Login API does not return UUID's ... === TestName:
>>>>>>>>> test_LoginApiUuidResponse | Status : SUCCESS ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Ran 9 tests in 1140.977s
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> OK
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Test reset virtual machine on reboot ... === TestName:
>>>>>>>>> test_01_reset_vm_on_reboot | Status : SUCCESS ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Ran 1 test in 216.907s
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> OK
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Test advanced zone virtual router ... === TestName: 
>>>>>>>>> test_advZoneVirtualRouter |
>>>>>>>>> Status : SUCCESS ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> Test Deploy Virtual Machine ... === TestName: test_deploy_vm | Status 
>>>>>>>>> : SUCCESS
>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> Test Multiple Deploy Virtual Machine ... === TestName: 
>>>>>>>>> test_deploy_vm_multiple |
>>>>>>>>> Status : SUCCESS ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> Test Stop Virtual Machine ... === TestName: test_01_stop_vm | Status 
>>>>>>>>> : SUCCESS
>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> Test Start Virtual Machine ... === TestName: test_02_start_vm | 
>>>>>>>>> Status : SUCCESS
>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> Test Reboot Virtual Machine ... === TestName: test_03_reboot_vm | 
>>>>>>>>> Status :
>>>>>>>>> SUCCESS ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> Test destroy Virtual Machine ... === TestName: test_06_destroy_vm | 
>>>>>>>>> Status :
>>>>>>>>> SUCCESS ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> Test recover Virtual Machine ... === TestName: test_07_restore_vm | 
>>>>>>>>> Status :
>>>>>>>>> SUCCESS ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> Test migrate VM ... SKIP: At least two hosts should be present in the 
>>>>>>>>> zone for
>>>>>>>>> migration
>>>>>>>>> Test destroy(expunge) Virtual Machine ... === TestName: 
>>>>>>>>> test_09_expunge_vm |
>>>>>>>>> Status : SUCCESS ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Ran 10 tests in 851.022s
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> OK (SKIP=1)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Test router internal advanced zone ... SKIP: Marvin configuration has 
>>>>>>>>> no host
>>>>>>>>> credentials to check router services
>>>>>>>>> Test restart network ... === TestName: 
>>>>>>>>> test_03_restart_network_cleanup | Status
>>>>>>>>> : SUCCESS ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> Test router basic setup ... === TestName: test_05_router_basic | 
>>>>>>>>> Status :
>>>>>>>>> SUCCESS ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> Test router advanced setup ... === TestName: test_06_router_advanced 
>>>>>>>>> | Status :
>>>>>>>>> SUCCESS ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> Test stop router ... === TestName: test_07_stop_router | Status : 
>>>>>>>>> SUCCESS ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> Test start router ... === TestName: test_08_start_router | Status : 
>>>>>>>>> SUCCESS ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> Test reboot router ... === TestName: test_09_reboot_router | Status : 
>>>>>>>>> SUCCESS
>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Ran 7 tests in 454.519s
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> OK (SKIP=1)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Test to create service offering ... === TestName:
>>>>>>>>> test_01_create_service_offering | Status : SUCCESS ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> Test to update existing service offering ... === TestName:
>>>>>>>>> test_02_edit_service_offering | Status : SUCCESS ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> Test to delete service offering ... === TestName:
>>>>>>>>> test_03_delete_service_offering | Status : SUCCESS ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Ran 3 tests in 206.916s
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> OK
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Test VPN in VPC ... === TestName: test_vpc_remote_access_vpn | Status 
>>>>>>>>> : SUCCESS
>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> Test VPN in VPC ... === TestName: test_vpc_site2site_vpn | Status : 
>>>>>>>>> SUCCESS ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Ran 2 tests in 373.908s
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> OK
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Test create VPC offering ... === TestName: 
>>>>>>>>> test_01_create_vpc_offering | Status
>>>>>>>>> : SUCCESS ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> Test VPC offering without load balancing service ... === TestName:
>>>>>>>>> test_03_vpc_off_without_lb | Status : SUCCESS ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> Test VPC offering without static NAT service ... === TestName:
>>>>>>>>> test_04_vpc_off_without_static_nat | Status : SUCCESS ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> Test VPC offering without port forwarding service ... === TestName:
>>>>>>>>> test_05_vpc_off_without_pf | Status : SUCCESS ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> Test VPC offering with invalid services ... === TestName:
>>>>>>>>> test_06_vpc_off_invalid_services | Status : SUCCESS ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> Test update VPC offering ... === TestName: test_07_update_vpc_off | 
>>>>>>>>> Status :
>>>>>>>>> SUCCESS ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> Test list VPC offering ... === TestName: test_08_list_vpc_off | 
>>>>>>>>> Status : SUCCESS
>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> test_09_create_redundant_vpc_offering
>>>>>>>>> (integration.acs.tests.test_vpc_offerings.TestVPCOffering) ... === 
>>>>>>>>> TestName:
>>>>>>>>> test_09_create_redundant_vpc_offering | Status : SUCCESS ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Ran 8 tests in 672.382s
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> OK
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> test_privategw_acl 
>>>>>>>>> (integration.acs.tests.test_privategw_acl.TestPrivateGwACL)
>>>>>>>>> ... === TestName: test_privategw_acl | Status : SUCCESS ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Ran 1 test in 90.756s
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> OK
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Test to change service offering of router after addition of one guest 
>>>>>>>>> network
>>>>>>>>> ... === TestName:
>>>>>>>>> test_04_chg_srv_off_router_after_addition_of_one_guest_network | 
>>>>>>>>> Status :
>>>>>>>>> SUCCESS ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> Test destroy of router after addition of one guest network ... === 
>>>>>>>>> TestName:
>>>>>>>>> test_05_destroy_router_after_addition_of_one_guest_network | Status : 
>>>>>>>>> SUCCESS
>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> Test to stop and start router after creation of VPC ... === TestName:
>>>>>>>>> test_01_stop_start_router_after_creating_vpc | Status : SUCCESS ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> Test to reboot the router after creating a VPC ... === TestName:
>>>>>>>>> test_02_reboot_router_after_creating_vpc | Status : SUCCESS ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> Tests to change service offering of the Router after ... === TestName:
>>>>>>>>> test_04_change_service_offerring_vpc | Status : SUCCESS ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> Test to destroy the router after creating a VPC ... === TestName:
>>>>>>>>> test_05_destroy_router_after_creating_vpc | Status : SUCCESS ===
>>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Ran 6 tests in 665.965s
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> OK
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 16 Feb 2015, at 17:53, Daan Hoogland <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> H,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I will merge our feature/systemvm-persistent-config into master. If
>>>>>>>>>> you have objections please let me know before tomorrow.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> @john: your comment was addressed in the present day version.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Daan
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Daan
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Daan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
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