+1 for x86 first, then SPARC if there is "proven" demand for it.
---------------------------------------- From: "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 3:59 PM To: "Funs Kessen" <f...@barred.org>, "dev@cloudstack.apache.org" <dev@cloudstack.apache.org> Subject: RE: Oracle VM (OVM) Server support We certainly get clients/potential clients asking us about OVM for both x86 and SPARC, so there's certainly at least some demand out there for it. I think we ultimately need both to be able to talk at the 19th hole with the suits. Regards, Paul Angus Cloud Architect S: +44 20 3603 0540 | M: +447711418784 | T: @CloudyAngus paul.an...@shapeblue.com -----Original Message----- From: Funs Kessen [mailto:f...@barred.org] Sent: 23 April 2014 23:35 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Paul Angus Subject: Re: Oracle VM (OVM) Server support Hi Paul, It kind of depends on if we're able to get the code up to snuff to go in there I guess. Which is something I can't manage myself I think. All sanity put aside, I'm not a full time coder, but do see value in having this in CS. Main focus is on x86, although sparc should be workable looking at the agent. I'm in the process of arranging an m4000/m5000 to see if the domp stuff is something that can work or if I can get it to work, because I also see a case there. Cheers, Funs On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 06:08:28PM +0000, Paul Angus wrote: > So the million euro question is... which CloudStack release are you aiming for? > > The 100,000 euro question is... are you looking at x86 and/or SPARC architectures? > > Regards > > Paul Angus > Cloud Architect > S: +44 20 3603 0540 | M: +447711418784 | T: CloudyAngus > paul.an...@shapeblue.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Funs Kessen [mailto:] > Sent: 23 April 2014 14:00 > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > Cc: Donal Lafferty > Subject: Re: Oracle VM (OVM) Server support > > Hi Donal and others, > > I've been working part timeon the code for literally a bit over a month, based on snippets I had. The need for the OVM3 integration was initially something that had quite some pressure behind it when the discussion started, but unfortunately evaporated. > The initial work I did started on the shoulders of the old Ovm plugin, but changed partially, so the outline of the framework used there is still visible in the ResourceBase, Discoverer, Helper, Guru and Fencer although modified. The rest is not quite the same. I do have to say that some *cough* refactoring *cough* is in order. > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 09:24:02PM +0000, Donal Lafferty wrote: > > I took this approach with the Hyper-V plugin. Based on my experience, I think the following advice is of great value. Could you please pass it on to Funs. > > > Thanks for reaching out, it was the thing I needed to push me over the > edge and get it out there :) > > > First, take Rajesh up on his request for information, because he can help with the systemVM. Without a system VM, you can only run a QuickCloud deployment, which lacks networking and secondary storage flexibility. Also, rolling a system VM requires quite different expertise than operating the hypervisor itself. I don't think it's useful to learn both when there are a few system VM experts already kicking around. > > > The Console Proxy, SSVM and RouterVM all work and run once the template has been converted to RAW, which is the only format Ovm3 supports. RAW is only supported due to lack of the tapdisk kernel module, the tools are there but the module is not. > Under the hood Ovm3 is xen with a python agent combined with xm and a couple of shared object libs. The agent is conceptually a pluggable framework. > > > Be clear on how you'll support the console VM. It would be preferable to give someone a chance to amend an existing console VM than have to write one from scratch. > > > The console VM works :). > > > Make it clear what instructions you'll support. A base plugin need only create/start/stop/delete, but maybe your users are expecting a richer features set. There seem to be four or so potential users on this mailing list. Why not ask them what they need. > > > That is a good point indeed, for now I've kept our environement partially in the back of my mind. > * NFS for Primary and Secondary Storage > * VLANs for VIFs on bridges (no OpenVswitch yet) > * Native Pooling and loose CS clusters (native clusters are on the > list) > * VM migrations > The README.md on the github page, https://github.com/snuf/ovm3, has more detail. I'm very open to suggestions on what should be in there, some things are however "complicated" due to the limitations of what is bundeled with dom0 and is natively supported by Oracle VM Manager. Some form of keeping in line with regard to not modifying dom0 would be required for the use case I have in mind. > > > Get a sanity check on the agent architecture you're going to use. Will we have to install a remote agent? Will it speak CloudStack message bus or take HTTP requests? It's worth checking with the community that there won't be any breaking changes to this architecture when it comes time to integrate. The same applies to storage. In fact, the evolving storage model was an issue faced by the Hyper-V plugin's storage architecture. > > > A long time ago I spoke to a couple of people on the mailinglist and my idea was to do an as native as possible implementation, meaning that I was going to levarage the Ovm3 agent, which talks XML-RPC, as if Oracle VM Manager was talking to it. The plugin uses XML-RPC as much as possible, but for some of the missing bits now ssh is used, which should switch to either a shadow-agent, or augmenting the native Ovm3 agent. > In the future the native agent might be enriched so I do feel much for keeping it as native as possible, also with respect to the initial use case. > > > Finally, crowd source your test cases. Obviously, you want to have a test case for every instruction you're implemented and some functional tests that cover a command sequence typical of a GUI operation. What's more interesting is whether you can collaborate with existing testers to speed up development time and increase reliability. In fact, I've some nice examples I'd like to pass on. > > > At the moment I have a build street that rebuilds either the module or CS completely depending, and can blow away the existing cloud, clean the hypervisors and roll out the entire thing from scratch. It will wait till the systemVMs are deployed and deploy three VMs on it. > A sheer lack of unit tests and just a few sanity checks are in but it needs a bucket load more. The GUI has been tested a couple of times before I decided to integrate the bits needed into the API. > > > To summarise, try to collaborate. There's a lot of expertise beyond operating the hypervisor that you can safely crowd source. > > > That is good advice, somehow I find it hard to put the code out there as I feel I've not given the code the attention it deserves. > > The code is on github: https://github.com/snuf/ovm3 for those interested. > > Cheers, > > Funs > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com] > > > Sent: 22 April 2014 20:45 > > > To: dev > > > Cc: fkes...@schubergphilis.com > > > Subject: Re: Oracle VM (OVM) Server support > > > > > > He is implementing an ovm3 plugin + core patch. no support for the old ovm. > > > When He is done he'll publish and I'll be happy to integrate and > > > steal the > > > credits;) > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 7:25 PM, Rajesh Battala > > > <rajesh.batt...@citrix.com> > > > wrote: > > > > Nice.. > > > > Can you share more details about the support of OVM? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Rajesh Battala > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 9:52 PM > > > > To: dev > > > > Subject: Re: Oracle VM (OVM) Server support > > > > > > > > A schuberg philis colleague is working on it. Funs. > > > > > > > > mobile bilingual spell checker used Op 22 apr. 2014 18:18 > > > > schreef "Chip Childers" <chipchild...@apache.org>: > > > > > > > >> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 03:38:51PM +0000, Paul Angus wrote: > > > >> > About a year ago there was some discussion around updating > > > >> > the Oracle VM > > > >> Server support to the then current version. The topic stopped > > > >> and I can't find anything in Jira for it. > > > >> > > > > >> > Is the support still being worked on? > > > >> > > > > >> > Regards > > > >> > > > > >> > Paul Angus > > > >> > Senior Consultant / Cloud Architect > > > >> > > > >> Not AFAIK > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Daan > Need Enterprise Grade Support for Apache CloudStack? > Our CloudStack Infrastructure Support<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/> offers the best 24/7 SLA for CloudStack Environments. > > Apache CloudStack Bootcamp training courses > > **NEW!** CloudStack 4.2.1 > training<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/> > 28th-29th May 2014, Bangalore. > Classromm<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/> > 16th-20th June 2014, Region A. Instructor led, > On-line<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/> > 23rd-27th June 2014, Region B. Instructor led, > On-line<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/> > 15th-20th September 2014, Region A. 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