On Feb 7, 2014, at 6:31 PM, David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us> wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 9:02 PM, John Kinsella <j...@stratosec.co> wrote:
>> Folks - we're getting bitten occasionally by stability issues on some of our 
>> customer VMs indirectly related to ACS:
>> 
>> * The billing package[1] we use is touchy, and will occasionally reboot VMs 
>> when we bring up the VM's details page in the billing package
>> * ACS recently lost connectivity with a node, asked the VR to ping the VMs 
>> but was blocked by host firewall, so decided the VM was down and then killed 
>> it after reconnecting to the node
>> * Something was either fat-fingered or mis-intreperted in billing package, 
>> and deleting a licensing product from a customer resulted in it telling ACS 
>> to delete a domain, user, the 10 VMs in it and their storage (Luckily I saw 
>> the grey icon of Shutdown/Expunge and shut down mgmt server, but not before 
>> losing one VM. Somehow I haven't had a heart attack yet)
>> 
>> My thought is each VM would have a LOCK field - when that's set, it 
>> basically becomes "read-only" to ACS - stats are gathered, it monitors if 
>> it's up/down, but any change in running state, the node it's on, storage, 
>> network, firewalls etc would be denied without some type of authorization 
>> (I'm not sure what I mean here yet, if it's a separate login or maybe 
>> authenticating to get a token and then present it with the change, or...).
>> 
>> I understand in a larger environment there's too much happening and this 
>> could backfire, but for our customers with legacy non-cloud architectures, 
>> stability is hugely important and anything we can do to help with that is 
>> worthwhile. Maybe in a "phase 2" of this implementation granular controls 
>> could be added to specify what could/could not happen during "production 
>> lock"...
>> 
>> Looking to gauge interest and ideas/suggestions in something like this. 
>> Unfortunately it just jumped pretty much to the top of my priority list...
>> 
>> John
>> 1: I'd rather not say which at this point.
> 
> 
> AWS has 'Termination Protection' and in that light it makes sense to me.

Hm thanks, will take a look

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