I know rhel6 has jdk6 as the default and jdk7 is also available.  Seems
silly to target 1.7 for a redhat project.  If libvirt can just target 1.6 I
think that would be ideal and then we can just not change anything on our
side.  Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, but I see the vast majority of
projects targeting 1.6 unless they really need to use a 1.7 API, which
isn't all that much.  Java 8 is going to be the next real jump that most
projects move to as, similar to 1.5, it has real language features people
want.

Darren


On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Wido den Hollander <w...@widodh.nl> wrote:

>
>
> On 09/18/2013 06:51 PM, Darren Shepherd wrote:
>
>> I'd be relatively opposed to switching everything to jdk7.  Java 6 is the
>> current lowest common denominator and using java 7 at the moment will just
>> alienate somebody  I don't know the back story.  Is libvirt compiled for
>> jdk7?  I'd be perfectly fine with compiling just the KVM driver with jdk7
>> as any distro that has a usable KVM implementation also has java 7.
>>
>>
> A new version of libvirt-java was released, but the RedHat guys compiled
> it with jdk 7.
>
> I already got a patch in at libvirt-java to set the target version to 1.6:
> http://www.libvirt.org/git/?p=**libvirt-java.git;a=commitdiff;**h=**
> 26efdef08b0d34b75fcd5930b6510d**acc14f6637<http://www.libvirt.org/git/?p=libvirt-java.git;a=commitdiff;h=26efdef08b0d34b75fcd5930b6510dacc14f6637>
>
> I hope to get the 0.5.1 release soon which is 1.6 compatible.
>
>
>  So here is what I propose (which I think is what is already being
>> proposed,
>> but I'm just being explicit).  We keep the maven settings to keep building
>> 1.6 byte code.  Only the KVM driver do we set it to 1.7.  This means that
>> we would then have to switch to using JDK7 for jenkins, eclipse, mvn cli,
>> etc.  As the majority of development is done in eclipse (i think), eclipse
>> still sets up the projects to compile against the JRE 6 library (except
>> KVM
>> will be JRE 7), so that will help prevent people from accidentally using a
>> JRE7 API in a 1.6 byte code format.
>>
>>
> As far as I know both RHEL/CentOS 6 and Ubuntu 12.04 have JRE 7 in their
> repos, so it's no problem on the packaging side if we target those two
> platforms.
>
> Wido
>
>
>  And as a totally random note, OpenJDK7 on CentOS is way faster than
>> OpenJDK6 on CentOS.  Regardless of whatever we compile against, everybody
>> should try use Java 7 at runtime.
>>
>> Darren
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Alex Huang <alex.hu...@citrix.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  I don't have much problem with switching to jdk1.7.  My eclipse is
>>> running
>>> with jdk1.7 as the builder and it can't find any problems in cs code.
>>>  The
>>> main question I think will come from the Linux variants.  Are all of them
>>> shipping with jdk1.7 now?
>>>
>>> --Alex
>>>
>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Trippie [mailto:trip...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Hugo Trippaers
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 5:10 AM
>>>> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Java 7, tomcat 7 and further upgrades
>>>>
>>>> Hey all,
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for the threadomancy, but the discussion have become relevant
>>>> again
>>>> with the current issues with the libvirt library. Of course this could
>>>>
>>> also be
>>>
>>>> solved by updating the libvirt library with a jdk6 version. Still it
>>>>
>>> might be good
>>>
>>>> to revisit this topic.
>>>>
>>>> It appears not to be possible to switch code style to 1.7 and produce a
>>>>
>>> 1.6
>>>
>>>> compatible binary. I remember this working with olders versions, but
>>>>
>>> didn't
>>>
>>>> dig to much into this.
>>>>
>>>> So the new question in this thread will be, should we switch CloudStack
>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>> jdk 1.7?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Hugo
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 1, 2013, at 12:45 AM, Prasanna Santhanam <t...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 04:18:40PM -0400, John Burwell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am +1 for Java7.  However, I would like to propose ridding
>>>>>> ourselves of Tomcat entirely and embedding a network stack such as
>>>>>> Netty (http://netty.io) with a servlet bridge.  We have one JSP in
>>>>>> the system that generates JSON resources.  It could be easily
>>>>>> eliminated with a simple servlet that generates JSON from a
>>>>>> ResourceBundle.  Outside of this JSP. I don't see any other
>>>>>> requirements for a JEE container besides hosting a servlet.  We would
>>>>>> gain a far simpler, self-contained deployment model (a single jar).
>>>>>> Additionally, we would gain greater control of the startup and
>>>>>> shutdown lifecycle, as well as, threading dynamics.  If there is
>>>>>> interest in this approach, I have thoughts on how to achieve this
>>>>>> embedding and create a lightweight daemon framework that could be
>>>>>> used for all CloudStack daemons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As an aside, I also think we should replace our hand-rolled NIO code
>>>>>> with Netty as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> John - could you break this and other thoughts down a little more in
>>>>> what's involved?  Perhaps into its own thread. I don't know Netty. And
>>>>> my J2EE is shaky at best.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's been a previous wish on this list to have the packaging of
>>>>> cloudstack into a single easily deployable war instead of all the
>>>>> complicated packaging we do. So I'd like to hear more of that and
>>>>> other issues you describe.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Prasanna.,
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