Noah, 

I agree that there needs to be a delineation. Here's my option on wording
describing what is non-technical:

+3.4.2. Non-Technical Decisions

+Non-technical decisions should normally be made by the entire community
using
+discussion-lead consensus-building, and not through formal voting.
+
+Non-technical decisions are defined as a decision that do not directly
affect
+the code in any branch of the project.
+Including coding, testing, documentation or management of the code base.
+
+Non-technical decisions can be made on whichever project mailing list is
most
+appropriate.
+
+Non-technical decisions cannot be vetoed, but if there is strong
opposition
+a formal vote can be used to resolve the dispute.
+
+If a formal vote is started for a non-technical decision, the vote will be
held
+as a lazy 2/3 majority of active committers.
+
+Any user, contributor, committer or PMC member can initiate a
non-technical
+decision making process.



Matt Mullins
Cloud Platforms Implementation Engineer
Worldwide Cloud Services ­ Citrix System, Inc.
+1 (407) 920-1107 ­ Office/Cell Phone
matt.mull...@citrix.com






On 6/20/13 11:59 AM, "Noah Slater" <nsla...@apache.org> wrote:

>Less terse follow up... ;)
>
>Note that our current by-laws effectively state that any technical
>decision
>needs to happen on dev@. I am just clarifying the intent.
>
>Note also that we currently do not define what a "technical decision" is,
>but it is my opinion that this is any decision which relates to the
>CloudStack source code. (We might want to make it a little broader than
>that. Open to suggestions.)
>
>Almost everything we do involves technology. Whether that is editing the
>website, wiki, JIRA, mailing lists, etc. That doesn't mean that those
>activities are "technical activities" or involve "technical decisions".
>
>Do you think our by-laws need a section clarifying technical vs.
>non-technical? What should it say?
>
>
>On 20 June 2013 15:14, Joe Brockmeier <j...@zonker.net> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013, at 08:21 AM, Noah Slater wrote:
>> > Devs,
>> >
>> > I would like to call a vote on the following modification to our
>>by-laws.
>> > This is in response to the
>> >
>> > Summary of changes:
>> >
>> > * Addition of "3.4.2. Non-Technical Decisions" section. This specifies
>> > that
>> > non-technical decisions can be made on any appropriate list (i.e.
>> > marketing@)
>>
>> Erm. Does this mean that marketing can't make any technical decisions
>> about the Web site, for instance?
>>
>> I think this needs to be better worded.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> jzb
>> --
>> Joe Brockmeier
>> j...@zonker.net
>> Twitter: @jzb
>> http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
>>
>
>
>
>-- 
>NS

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