>  If I am not mistaken, Sidecar already exposes a set of
> endpoints related to the restoration of data from S3 when running some
> Spark jobs, right?

You are correct Stefan.

I'll echo Stefan's concerns around the weight of adding a cloud provider
dependency into Cassandra. Especially now, with the increasing volume of
CVE discovery across all sorts of open-source projects, keeping the
dependency scope of the core Cassandra process small is a distinct
advantage. As an operator, it's much easier for me to push out patches
across thousands of Sidecars than it is to push them across thousands of
Cassandra nodes.

I also think that from a resource isolation perspective, running these
types of maintenance operations out-of-process can create much more
predictable performance, especially when paired with OS-level resource
governance tools like cgroups. What a dream it might be if we had
out-of-process compaction or out-of-process Merkle tree calculation for
repair.

I understand your point that adding another Sidecar just for backups can
increase operational complexity, but I'd argue that cassandra-sidecar is
shaping up to offer far more than just backups. Today we have Sidecar
acting as the entrypoint for bulk analytics, CEP-44 bringing CDC publishing
to Kafka, CEP-40 adding zero-copy online data migration between nodes and
with CEP-53 and CEP-62 we are getting rolling restarts, configuration
management and a framework for executing other distributed jobs across a
Cassandra cluster. Framed this way it's becoming a one-stop-shop for these
types of operations. I also think that building on top of the operational
job framework being added with CEP-53 could go a long way towards making
the implementation easier.


On Tue, Oct 6, 2026 at 8:56 AM Victor Araujo <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Hi Bernardo and Stefan,
>
> Thanks for the feedback. I agree that there are several benefits to having
> backup and restore in Sidecar, especially regarding isolation,
> dependencies, and being able to evolve the feature independently from
> Cassandra itself. I would be happy to explore and contribute to that
> direction, potentially in my free time, and I may also be able to bring
> this discussion to my company later.
>
> My main concern is more about the entry point for users. In my current
> environment, we are actually trying to reduce our use of Sidecars and other
> additional processes to reduce the overall footprint. I also think there
> may be users who would prefer having a basic built-in solution in Cassandra
> rather than having to deploy another component just to get backup and
> restore.
>
> Maybe there is a middle ground here. We could have an opt-in, generic
> backup/restore capability in Cassandra core, similar in spirit to the
> unified repair solution, without bringing any third-party cloud
> dependencies into Cassandra. For example, the core could provide the
> backup/restore abstractions and lifecycle, with a pluggable storage
> implementation provided by the user or another component. This could serve
> as a simple entry-level solution, while a more complete implementation with
> cloud-specific integrations could live in Sidecar.
>
> I don't know yet whether this split makes sense from an architectural
> perspective, but I think it could be worth exploring. I would be interested
> in hearing what others think about this approach.
>
> Thanks,
> Victor
>
> Em ter., 6 de out. de 2026 às 07:49, Štefan Miklošovič <
> [email protected]> escreveu:
>
>> I also think that we should investigate how to integrate backup /
>> restores in Sidecar rather than doing it in Cassandra.
>> Dependency-wise, I think Sidecar already depends on s3 so that is for
>> free already. If I am not mistaken, Sidecar already exposes a set of
>> endpoints related to the restoration of data from S3 when running some
>> Spark jobs, right? So this would be just a natural extension of that -
>> a set of endpoints backuping to and restoring from an S3 bucket.
>>
>> However, I think that we should make it generic enough in such a way
>> that if somebody wants to do this against Azure or GCP they could. We
>> should not "wire" S3 only. I am not sure how to do this though. These
>> deps are quite "heavy", depending on their own dependency chain ... I
>> do not have good experience with mixing various cloud libraries.
>>
>> What we do in our backup / restore solution is that we modularize it
>> in such a way that a user can choose what cloud they go to deal with
>> and they have only that cloud-specific libraries on the class path.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2026 at 12:14 PM Bernardo Botella
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Victor!
>> >
>> > Thanks for bringing up this discussion 😊
>> >
>> > I completely agree that a first citizen backup and restore mechanism in
>> Cassandra would be great.
>> >
>> > I’d like to explore a little bit more the solution involving Sidecar.
>> While it is true that it would “force” you to have yet another component
>> running, it definitely comes with a lot of benefits besides the current
>> other features it provides (control plane, analytics library, CDC over
>> Kafka, to name some).
>> >
>> > It allows for a more modular approach to a Cassandra deployment. In my
>> humble opinion, having smaller, more specialized processes is the direction
>> we should be following, as opposed to keep making the core of the project
>> bigger and more complex.
>> > It allows for a faster iteration in terms of software. When it comes to
>> version upgrades, it is definitely way easier to update just the sidecar
>> than the entire Cassandra core. It is also less risky.
>> > Blast radius is also smaller. It is better to have the Sidecar affected
>> if a backup process stalls/breaks/misbehaves than the whole Cassandra core.
>> >
>> >
>> > That’s my two cents!
>> > Bernardo
>> >
>> > From: Victor Araujo <[email protected]>
>> > Date: Monday, 5 October 2026 at 13:34
>> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
>> > Subject: [DISCUSS] Backup and restore in Cassandra
>> >
>> > Hi everyone,
>> >
>> > I would like to discuss the possibility of having a built-in backup and
>> restore mechanism in Cassandra, including incremental backups and support
>> for external object storage such as S3. The main goal would be to provide a
>> supported solution while keeping the implementation provider-agnostic and
>> avoiding unnecessary operational overhead.
>> >
>> > I initially discussed this on Slack and was pointed to CEP-36 and the
>> previous discussions around external storage and snapshots. We also
>> discussed whether S3 would be too provider-specific, and whether Cassandra
>> Sidecar could be part of the solution. My concern with Sidecar is that
>> introducing another component would increase the operational footprint,
>> which goes against one of the goals of this work. I also have a small PoC
>> on top of trunk exploring some of these ideas.
>> >
>> > I'd be interested in hearing other opinions and any previous work I
>> should look at. If there is interest in pursuing this, would a draft CEP be
>> a useful next step so we can start working on the design in parallel?
>> >
>> > Link of the first slack discussion about this topic:
>> https://the-asf.slack.com/archives/CK23JSY2K/p1789021792614639
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Victor Cavichioli
>>
>

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