My point is that the upgrade to 5.1/6.0 isn't really complete until the CMS is 
initialised and this can't be done while running with SCM CASSANDRA_4 because 
of the messaging service limitation. Until that point, schema changes & node 
replacements are not supported which affects how long a bake time is tolerable. 
This specific issue could probably be fixed by revisiting the SCM 
implementation in 5.1/6.0, so we should certainly do that but the fact remains 
that we don't have great test coverage to indicate how clusters behave when 
running in SCM for a prolonged period.  

Thanks, 
Sam

> On 11 Dec 2024, at 13:29, Brandon Williams <dri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 7:22 AM Sam Tunnicliffe <s...@beobal.com> wrote:
>> 
>> so running in any SCM mode for a prolonged period is not really viable.
> 
> This is what many users want to do though, upgrade one DC and let it
> bake to see how it goes before continuing.  I don't think that's
> unreasonable, but from working on CASSANDRA-20118 I know how difficult
> that is already.  I don't think we've built enough SCM muscle yet to
> think about handling multiple previous versions.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Brandon

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