On 2024/06/21 12:00:43 Mick Semb Wever wrote:
> Agreeing with Stefan, Brandon, and Yifan here…
> 

Yeah, I agree as well. We want to either have an alternative to MAXWRITETIME
or preserve the existing functionality.

> We are ready to cut 5.0-rc1 and this thread (and any resulting work) is the
> only current blocker.
> 
> The argument for leaving things as they are, is…
> 
>  - MAXWRITETIME as-is is valuable. and is done.
>  - We can't mark it deprecated until 18085 lands (ref yifan's point)
>  - There is no guarantee that 18085 will ever land (it's already been patch
> ready for 18 months and no one has touched it)
>  - The cost of MAXWRITETIME (in addition to 18085) really isn't that high
> (iiuc, it's just a cql keyword)
> 
> 
> I'd like to rephrase the thread's question.
> Does anyone have an objection to 5.0-rc1 being cut with the code as it is?
> And if so, are they willing to do the work asap that is required and
> blocking 5.0-rc1 ?

No objections to cutting the code as it is. 

> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 at 13:22, Štefan Miklošovič <smikloso...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> 
> > I should rather say that tests act as if the application of collection
> > functions to non-collection types would work but that functionality is not
> > in the prod code yet.
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 1:17 PM Štefan Miklošovič <smikloso...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I do not feel comfortable to rush this.
> >>
> >> For completeness, this is the PR I managed to rebase
> >>
> >> https://github.com/apache/cassandra/pull/3383
> >>
> >> This is CI, bunch of tests are failing
> >>
> >>
> >> https://app.circleci.com/pipelines/github/instaclustr/cassandra/4406/workflows/d46e98e5-e931-41fc-ae51-a7202f3945e3
> >>
> >> Whole WritetimeOrTTLTest fails ...
> >>
> >> I have not investigated what is going on there yet. I think that the PR
> >> already couts with the fact that the application of collection functions to
> >> non-collection types would work but tests are not aligned to that.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 12:41 PM Brandon Williams <dri...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Nothing else is blocking the release currently, so unless 18085 is
> >>> ready to commit right now, I don't think it's worth delaying the
> >>> release any further.
> >>>
> >>> Kind Regards,
> >>> Brandon
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 5:32 AM Jon Haddad <j...@jonhaddad.com> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > I’m on vacation, so I’ll keep this brief.  While its not the end of
> >>> the world, I think shipping a feature that’s immediately deprecated
> >>> reflects poorly on the project and our ability to manage it.
> >>> >
> >>> > I don’t know how much work need to be done to merge that patch, so its
> >>> hard to say if we should wait for it or if we should ship 5.0 and make an
> >>> exception to add it in 5.0.1.  I’d prefer 5.0.1 but i won’t die on this
> >>> hill.
> >>> >
> >>> > Jon
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 11:35 AM Mick Semb Wever <m...@apache.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 at 09:43, Sam Tunnicliffe <s...@beobal.com> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> 100% Option 1. Once it's out in GA release we're stuck with it so
> >>> any short term disruption to adopters of pre-release versions is a trivial
> >>> price to pay.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Sam, Jeremiah, Jeff, Jon,
> >>> >>
> >>> >>  we need some clarity on this.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> To remove MAXWRITETIME (CASSANDRA-18078) we must now (as Yifan notes)
> >>> first add CASSANDRA-18085.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> 18085 was slated for 5.x
> >>> >> Are we really going to both a) remove an API that was already
> >>> released in a beta, and b) add in a new improvement into an rc ?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> This is the only remaining issue blocking us from cutting a 5.0-rc1.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>>
> >>
> 

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