So revised proposal:

On Release Lifecycle cwiki page:
 - Ensure we have parity on jobs run between circle and asf-ci
 - Allow usage of circleci as gatekeeper for releases. 1 green run -> beta, 3 
green runs consecutive -> ga
 - No new consistent regressions on CI for asf compared to prior branches
 - Explicitly do not consider ci-cassandra asf flaky tests as release blockers

Changes to codify into documentation:
 - On patch before commit, multiplex @500 all new tests, changed tests, or 
expected to be impacted tests ("expected to be impacted" piece pending 
multi-class multiplexing support):
 - Add support for multi-class specification in multiplexer and document

Add informal project commitment during next major release lifecycle to continue 
working on bringing asf ci-cassandra up to where it can be formal gatekeeper 
for release.

On Wed, Sep 28, 2022, at 10:13 AM, Ekaterina Dimitrova wrote:
> If we talk blockers nothing more than ensuring we see all tests we want 
> pre-release, IMHO. 
> The other points sound to me like future important improvements that will 
> help us significantly in the flaky test fight.
> 
> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 at 10:08, Josh McKenzie <jmcken...@apache.org> wrote:
>> __
>> I'm receptive to that but I wouldn't gate our ability to get 4.1 out the 
>> door based on circle on that. Honestly probably only need to have the parity 
>> of coverage be the blocker for its use in retrospect.
>> 
>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2022, at 1:32 AM, Berenguer Blasi wrote:
>>> I would add an option for generate.sh to detect all changed *Test.java 
>>> files, that would be handy imo.
>>> 
>>> On 28/9/22 4:29, Josh McKenzie wrote:
>>>> So:
>>>>  1. 500 iterations on multiplexer
>>>>  2. Augmenting generate.sh to allow providing multiple class names and 
>>>> generating a single config that'll multiplex all the tests provided
>>>>  3. Test parity / pre-release config added on circleci (see 
>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-17930), specifically 
>>>> dtest-large, dtest-offheap, test-large-novnode
>>>> If we get the above 3, are we at a place where we're good to consider 
>>>> vetting releases on circleci for beta / rc / ga?
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2022, at 11:28 AM, Ekaterina Dimitrova wrote:
>>>>>> “I have plans on modifying the multiplexer to allow specifying a list of 
>>>>>> classes per test target, so we don't have to needlessly suffer with this”
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That would be great, I was thinking of that the other day too. With that 
>>>>>> said I’ll be happy to support you in that effort too :-) 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 at 11:18, Josh McKenzie <jmcken...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have plans on modifying the multiplexer to allow specifying a list of 
>>>>>>> classes per test target, so we don't have to needlessly suffer with this
>>>>>> This sounds integral to us multiplexing tests on large diffs whether we 
>>>>>> go with circle for releases or not and would be a great addition!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2022, at 6:19 AM, Andrés de la Peña wrote:
>>>>>>>> 250 iterations isn't enough; I use 500 as a low water mark.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I agree that 500 iterations would be a reasonable minimum. We have seen 
>>>>>>> flaky unit tests requiring far more iterations, but that's not very 
>>>>>>> common. We could use to 500 iterations as default, and discretionary 
>>>>>>> use a higher limit in tests that are quick and might be prone to 
>>>>>>> concurrency issues. I can change the defaults on CirceCI config file if 
>>>>>>> we agree to a new limit, the current default of 100 iterations is quite 
>>>>>>> arbitrary.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The test multiplexer allows to either run test individual test methods 
>>>>>>> or entire classes. It is quite frequent to see tests methods that pass 
>>>>>>> individually but fail when they are run together with the other tests 
>>>>>>> in the same class. Because of this, I think that we should always run 
>>>>>>> entire classes when repeating new or modified tests. The only exception 
>>>>>>> to this would be Python dtests, which usually are more resource 
>>>>>>> intensive and not so prone to that type of issues.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> For CI on a patch, run the pre-commit suite and also run multiplexer 
>>>>>>>> with 250 runs on new, changed, or related tests to ensure not flaky
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The multiplexer only allows to run a single test class per push. This 
>>>>>>> is ok for fixing existing flakies (its original purpose), and for most 
>>>>>>> minor changes, but it can be quite inconvenient for testing large 
>>>>>>> patches that add or modify many tests. For example, the patch for 
>>>>>>> CEP-19 directly modifies 31 test classes, which means 31 CircleCI 
>>>>>>> config pushes. This number can be somewhat reduced with some wildcards 
>>>>>>> on the class names, but the process is still quite inconvenient. I 
>>>>>>> guess that other large patches will find the same problem. I have plans 
>>>>>>> on modifying the multiplexer to allow specifying a list of classes per 
>>>>>>> test target, so we don't have to needlessly suffer with this.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Sept 2022 at 22:44, Brandon Williams <dri...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 1:31 PM Josh McKenzie <jmcken...@apache.org> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > 250 iterations isn't enough; I use 500 as a low water mark.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Say more here. I originally had it at 500 but neither Mick nor I 
>>>>>>>> > knew why and figured we could suss this out on this thread.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I've seen flakies that passed with less later exhibit at that point.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> > This is also assuming that circle and ASF CI run the same tests, 
>>>>>>>> > which
>>>>>>>> > is not entirely true.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > +1: we need to fix this. My intuition is the path to getting 
>>>>>>>> > circle-ci in parity on coverage is a shorter path than getting ASF 
>>>>>>>> > CI to 3 green runs for GA. That consistent w/your perception as well 
>>>>>>>> > or do you disagree?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I agree that bringing parity to the coverage will be the shorter path.
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 

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