Thanks Paulo!

The patch is available on github. It depends only on our availability and
priorities. I see Benedict mentioned on the ticket that probably 90% of the
patch covers already the idea of his proposal. I will be happy to finish
the work or if I am not available, when the time for it comes to handover
it to someone else.

I can’t find the related ticket now but one of the jvm prerequisites we
needed is solved - to be able to load custom types.



On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 5:04, Benjamin Lerer <ble...@apache.org> wrote:

>  Thanks Paulo. That one definitely fell through the cracks.
>
> I have been pretty busy lately but as soon as I have a bit of time I will
> create a roadmap page to
> summarize everything that was proposed so far. Including Making SSLContext
> creation pluggable proposed by Maulin and the JUnit 5 migration proposal
> from Aleksei.
>
> Le mer. 19 mai 2021 à 01:48, Paulo Motta <pauloricard...@gmail.com> a
> écrit :
>
> > I would love to see Ekaterina's work from CASSANDRA-15234 to standardize
> > configuration be resumed in the next releases.
> >
> > Thought it would be worth mentioning since we had quite a productive
> > discussion before putting it on hold to focus on 4.0, so it would be
> great
> > to have that conversation resumed.
> >
> > Em seg., 26 de abr. de 2021 às 14:16, Benedict Elliott Smith <
> > bened...@apache.org> escreveu:
> >
> > > I think my earlier response vanished into the moderator queue. Just a
> few
> > > comments:
> > >
> > > 1) The Paxos latency (and correctness) improvements I think should land
> > in
> > > 4.0.x, as we have introduced a fairly significant regression and this
> > work
> > > mostly resolves outstanding issues with LWTs today.
> > > 2) If we aim to deliver multi-partition LWTs in 4.x/5.0, we may likely
> > > want to pair this with work to further reduce latency beyond the above
> > > work, as contention will become a more significant problem. Should I be
> > > involved in delivering multi-partition LWTs I will also be aiming to
> > > deliver even lower latencies for the release they land in.
> > > 3) To support all of the above work, I also aim to deliver a Simulator
> > > facility for deterministically executing cluster workloads under
> > > adversarial scheduling (i.e. that intercepts all message and thread
> > events
> > > and evaluates them sequentially, in pseudorandom order), alongside
> > > linearizability verification built upon this. This work will include
> (or
> > > have as a prerequisite) significant clean-ups to internal functionality
> > > like executors, use of futures and other concurrency primitives, and
> > > mocking out of time and the filesystem.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 23/04/2021, 14:46, "Benjamin Lerer" <b.le...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >     Hi everybody,
> > >
> > >     Thanks for all the responses. I went through the emails and
> > aggregated
> > > the
> > >     proposals to give us an idea on where we stand at this point.
> > >
> > >     I only included the improvements in the list and left on the side
> the
> > > bug
> > >     fixes.
> > >     Regarding bug fixes, I wonder if we should not have discussions
> every
> > > month
> > >     to discuss what are the important issues that should be fixed in
> > > priority.
> > >     I feel that we sometimes tend to forget old issues even if they are
> > > more
> > >     important than some new ones.
> > >
> > >     Do not hesitate to tell me if I missed something or misinterpreted
> > some
> > >     proposal.
> > >
> > >     *Query side improvements:*
> > >
> > >       * Storage Attached Index or SAI. The CEP can be found at
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CASSANDRA/CEP-7%3A+Storage+Attached+Index
> > >       * Add support for OR predicates in the CQL where clause
> > >       * Allow to aggregate by time intervals (CASSANDRA-11871) and
> allow
> > > UDFs
> > >     in GROUP BY clause
> > >       * Ability to read the TTL and WRITE TIME of an element in a
> > > collection
> > >     (CASSANDRA-8877)
> > >       * Multi-Partition LWTs
> > >       * Materialized views hardening: Addressing the different
> > Materialized
> > >     Views issues (see CASSANDRA-15921 and [1] for some of the work
> > > involved)
> > >
> > >     *Security improvements:*
> > >
> > >       * SSTables encryption (CASSANDRA-9633)
> > >       * Add support for Dynamic Data Masking (CEP pending)
> > >       * Allow the creation of roles that have the ability to assign
> > > arbitrary
> > >     privileges, or scoped privileges without also granting those roles
> > > access
> > >     to database objects.
> > >       * Filter rows from system and system_schema based on users
> > > permissions
> > >     (CASSANDRA-15871)
> > >
> > >     *Performance improvements:*
> > >
> > >       * Trie-based index format (CEP pending)
> > >       * Trie-based memtables (CEP pending)
> > >       * Paxos improvements: Paxos / LWT implementation that would
> enable
> > > the
> > >     database to serve serial writes with two round-trips and serial
> reads
> > > with
> > >     one round-trip in the uncontended case
> > >
> > >     *Safety/Usability improvements:*
> > >
> > >       * Guardrails. The CEP can be found at
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CASSANDRA/%28DRAFT%29+-+CEP-3%3A+Guardrails
> > >       * Add ability to track state in repair (CASSANDRA-15399)
> > >       * Repair coordinator improvements (CASSANDRA-15399)
> > >       * Make incremental backup configurable per keyspace and table
> > >     (CASSANDRA-15402)
> > >       * Add ability to blacklist a CQL partition so all requests are
> > > ignored
> > >     (CASSANDRA-12106)
> > >       * Add default and required keyspace replication options
> > > (CASSANDRA-14557)
> > >       * Transactional Cluster Metadata: Use of transactions to
> propagate
> > >     cluster metadata
> > >       * Downgrade-ability: Ability to downgrade to downgrade in the
> event
> > > that
> > >     a serious issue has been identified
> > >
> > >     *Pluggability improvements:*
> > >
> > >       * Pluggable schema manager (CEP pending)
> > >       * Pluggable filesystem (CEP pending)
> > >       * Pluggable authenticator for CQLSH (CASSANDRA-16456). A CEP
> draft
> > > can be
> > >     found at
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_G-OZCAEmDyuQuAN2wQUYUtZBEJpMkHWnkYELLhqvKc/edit
> > >       * Memtable API (CEP pending). The goal being to allow
> improvements
> > > such
> > >     as CASSANDRA-13981 to be easily plugged into Cassandra
> > >
> > >     *Memtable pluggable implementation:*
> > >
> > >       * Enable Cassandra for Persistent Memory (CASSANDRA-13981)
> > >
> > >     *Other tools:*
> > >
> > >       * CQL compatibility test suite (CEP pending)
> > >
> > >     Le jeu. 22 avr. 2021 à 16:11, Benjamin Lerer <b.le...@gmail.com> a
> > > écrit :
> > >
> > >     > Finally, I think it's important we work to maintain trunk in a
> > > shippable
> > >     >> state.
> > >     >
> > >     >
> > >     > I am +100 on this. Bringing Cassandra to such a state was a huge
> > > effort
> > >     > and keeping it that way will help us to ensure the quality of the
> > >     > releases.
> > >     >
> > >     > Le jeu. 15 avr. 2021 à 17:30, Scott Andreas <
> sc...@paradoxica.net>
> > a
> > >     > écrit :
> > >     >
> > >     >> Thanks for starting this discussion, Benjamin!
> > >     >>
> > >     >> I share others’ enthusiasm on this thread for improvements to
> > > secondary
> > >     >> indexes, trie-based partition indexes, guardrails, and
> encryption
> > > at rest.
> > >     >>
> > >     >> Here are some other post-4.0 areas for investment that have been
> > on
> > > my
> > >     >> mind:
> > >     >>
> > >     >> – Transactional Cluster Metadata
> > >     >> Migrating from optimistic modification and propagation of
> cluster
> > >     >> metadata via gossip to a transactional implementation opens a
> lot
> > of
> > >     >> possibilities. Token movements and instance replacements get
> safer
> > > and
> > >     >> faster. Schema changes can be made atomic, enabling users to
> > > execute DDL
> > >     >> rapidly without waiting for convergence. Operations like
> > expansions
> > > and
> > >     >> shrinks become easier to automate with less care and feeding.
> > >     >>
> > >     >> – Paxos improvements
> > >     >> During discussion on C-12126, Benedict expressed interest in
> > > post-4.0
> > >     >> improvements that can be made to Cassandra’s Paxos / LWT
> > > implementation
> > >     >> that would enable the database to serve serial writes with two
> > > round-trips
> > >     >> and serial reads with one round-trip in the uncontended case.
> For
> > > many
> > >     >> cross-WAN serial use cases, this may halve the latency of CAS
> > > queries.
> > >     >>
> > >     >> – Multi-Partition LWTs
> > >     >> LWT is a great primitive, but modeling applications with the
> > > constraint
> > >     >> of single-key CAS can be a game of Twister. Extending the paxos
> > >     >> improvements discussed above to enable multi-partition CAS would
> > > enable
> > >     >> users of Apache Cassandra to perform serial operations across
> > > partition
> > >     >> boundaries.
> > >     >>
> > >     >> – Downgrade-ability
> > >     >> I also see “downgradeability” as important to future new release
> > >     >> adoption. Taking file format changes as an example, it’s
> currently
> > > not
> > >     >> possible to downgrade in the event that a serious issue has been
> > > identified
> > >     >> – unless you’re able to host-replace yourself out after
> upgrading
> > > one
> > >     >> replica, or revert to a pre-upgrade snapshot and accept data
> loss.
> > > It would
> > >     >> be excellent if it were possible for v.next to continue writing
> > the
> > >     >> previous SSTable/commitlog/hint/etc. format until a switch is
> > > flipped to
> > >     >> opt into new file formats. Apache HDFS takes a similar approach,
> > > enabling
> > >     >> downgrade until NameNode metadata is finalized [1]. This would
> be
> > an
> > >     >> excellent capability to have in Apache Cassandra, and
> dramatically
> > > lower
> > >     >> the stakes for new release adoption.
> > >     >>
> > >     >> On pluggability / disaggregation:
> > >     >> I agree that these are important themes. We’ll want to bring a
> lot
> > > of
> > >     >> care and attention to this work. Disaggregation can open a lot
> of
> > >     >> possibilities - with the drawback of future changes being
> > > restricted to the
> > >     >> defined interface and an inability to optimize across interface
> > > boundaries.
> > >     >> We can probably hit a sweet spot, though.
> > >     >>
> > >     >> Toolchains to validate implementations of pluggable components
> > will
> > >     >> become very important. It would be bad for the project’s users
> if
> > > bundled
> > >     >> implementations were of uneven quality or supported subsets of
> > >     >> functionality. Converging on a common validation toolchain for
> > > pluggable
> > >     >> subsystems can help us ensure that quality while minimizing the
> > > effort
> > >     >> required to test new implementations.
> > >     >>
> > >     >> Finally, I think it's important we work to maintain trunk in a
> > > shippable
> > >     >> state. This might look like major changes and new features
> hiding
> > > behind
> > >     >> feature flags that enable users to selectively enable them as
> > > development
> > >     >> and validation proceeds, with new code executed regardless of
> the
> > > flag held
> > >     >> to a higher standard.
> > >     >>
> > >     >> Cheers,
> > >     >>
> > >     >> – Scott
> > >     >>
> > >     >> [1]
> > >     >>
> > >
> >
> https://hadoop.apache.org/docs/current/hadoop-project-dist/hadoop-hdfs/HdfsRollingUpgrade.html
> > >     >>
> > >     >>
> > >     >> ________________________________________
> > >     >> From: guo Maxwell <cclive1...@gmail.com>
> > >     >> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 10:25 PM
> > >     >> To: dev@cassandra.apache.org
> > >     >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Next release roadmap
> > >     >>
> > >     >> +1
> > >     >>
> > >     >> Brandon Williams <dri...@gmail.com> 于2021年4月15日周四 上午4:48写道:
> > >     >>
> > >     >> > Agreed.  Everyone just please keep in mind this thread is for
> > > roadmap
> > >     >> > contributions you plan to make, not contributions you would
> like
> > > to
> > >     >> > see.
> > >     >> >
> > >     >> > On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 3:45 PM Nate McCall <
> zznat...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >     >> > >
> > >     >> > > Agree with Stefan 100% on this. We need to move towards
> > > pluggability.
> > >     >> Our
> > >     >> > > users are asking for it, it makes sense architecturally, and
> > > people
> > >     >> are
> > >     >> > > doing it anyway.
> > >     >> > >
> > >     >> > >
> > >     >> > > ...
> > >     >> > > > for me definitely
> > >     >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-9633
> > >     >> > > >
> > >     >> > > > I am surprised nobody mentioned this in the previous
> > answers,
> > > there
> > >     >> is
> > >     >> > > > ~50 people waiting for it to happen and multiple people
> > > working on
> > >     >> it
> > >     >> > > > seriously and wanting that feature to be there for so so
> > long.
> > >     >> > > > ...
> > >     >> >
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